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  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314

    David_D said:

    Greg said:

    I remember when John died, at eight years old, it was too big for me grasp. I didn't understand what was going on and why my dad was just sitting by the stereo crying.

    I have that memory, too- I think I was four or five, but I remember trying g to wrap my head around my dad being sad about someone dying who was not family or a friend, but was still important to him.
    I was in fifth grade at the time. One of my good friends from childhood was all into the Beatles. She sat behind me in English class, and I remember talking with her about it, and her crying, the morning after it happened. I remember some television news footage too, but it's a lot more vague.

    I don’t remember exactly what either of us said, but talking with her is what stands out to me. I haven’t seen her in 22 years, but I’ll never forget her face because of that moment.
    I got in a shoving match with an ROTC cadet.

    I kept putting the campus flag at half-mast, and he kept putting it back up.

    My friends had to drag me away.
  • John_SteedJohn_Steed Posts: 2,087
    edited December 2013
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    WetRats said:

    David_D said:

    Greg said:

    I remember when John died, at eight years old, it was too big for me grasp. I didn't understand what was going on and why my dad was just sitting by the stereo crying.

    I have that memory, too- I think I was four or five, but I remember trying g to wrap my head around my dad being sad about someone dying who was not family or a friend, but was still important to him.
    I was in fifth grade at the time. One of my good friends from childhood was all into the Beatles. She sat behind me in English class, and I remember talking with her about it, and her crying, the morning after it happened. I remember some television news footage too, but it's a lot more vague.

    I don’t remember exactly what either of us said, but talking with her is what stands out to me. I haven’t seen her in 22 years, but I’ll never forget her face because of that moment.
    I got in a shoving match with an ROTC cadet.

    I kept putting the campus flag at half-mast, and he kept putting it back up.

    My friends had to drag me away.
    Would you have done that (or do something similar) for any other celebrity?

    M
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    Matt said:

    Would you have done that (or do something similar) for any other celebrity?

    M

    I object to your term "celebrity".

    John wasn't a "celebrity", he was the heart, soul and voice of a generation.

    Was Martin Luther King a celebrity?
  • Matt said:

    Its interesting to know people were crying when they heard Lennon was murdered. It made me realize how much I don't have a connection with celebrities. I recall being said when I recently heard Paul Walker died, but that was because I knew he had a daughter & felt bad for her. I can't say I got anymore emotional then "Oh man, that sucks." It's the same reaction I'd give if my wife told me 1 of her coworkers I met 3 times died.

    And to be honest, I don't get invested too much in the daily lives of celebrities either. Their relationships, marriages, divorces, births, mansions, addictions, or struggles growing up. Truthfully, if you're putting out interesting entertainment I really don't give a shit about how the events in your life have no baring on my own.

    M

    Matt said:

    Its interesting to know people were crying when they heard Lennon was murdered. It made me realize how much I don't have a connection with celebrities. I recall being said when I recently heard Paul Walker died, but that was because I knew he had a daughter & felt bad for her. I can't say I got anymore emotional then "Oh man, that sucks." It's the same reaction I'd give if my wife told me 1 of her coworkers I met 3 times died.

    And to be honest, I don't get invested too much in the daily lives of celebrities either. Their relationships, marriages, divorces, births, mansions, addictions, or struggles growing up. Truthfully, if you're putting out interesting entertainment I really don't give a shit about how the events in your life have no baring on my own.

    M

    You’re assuming everyone crying of the death of John Lennon was emotionally attached to Lennon himself, whereas I would say most of those people were emotionally attached to his music much moreso than his celebrity. It’s easy to get emotionally attached to art. Art is designed to generate an emotional response. And I think music speaks more directly to people than most other forms of art.

    When an artist like John Lennon is very much in the public eye and is such a vibrant personality, it’s to be expected that some of that emotion attached to his music is transferred to his person as well. That’s just human nature.


  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    WetRats said:

    Matt said:

    Would you have done that (or do something similar) for any other celebrity?

    M

    I object to your term "celebrity".

    John wasn't a "celebrity", he was the heart, soul and voice of a generation.

    Was Martin Luther King a celebrity?
    According to Webster, yes.

    \sə-ˈle-brə-tē\
    noun
    1 : the state of being celebrated : fame
    2 : a famous or celebrated person
    Other forms: plural ce·leb·ri·ties

    To rework my initial question:

    Would any other VOICE get the same treatment?

    M
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457

    Matt said:

    Its interesting to know people were crying when they heard Lennon was murdered. It made me realize how much I don't have a connection with celebrities. I recall being said when I recently heard Paul Walker died, but that was because I knew he had a daughter & felt bad for her. I can't say I got anymore emotional then "Oh man, that sucks." It's the same reaction I'd give if my wife told me 1 of her coworkers I met 3 times died.

    And to be honest, I don't get invested too much in the daily lives of celebrities either. Their relationships, marriages, divorces, births, mansions, addictions, or struggles growing up. Truthfully, if you're putting out interesting entertainment I really don't give a shit about how the events in your life have no baring on my own.

    M

    Matt said:

    Its interesting to know people were crying when they heard Lennon was murdered. It made me realize how much I don't have a connection with celebrities. I recall being said when I recently heard Paul Walker died, but that was because I knew he had a daughter & felt bad for her. I can't say I got anymore emotional then "Oh man, that sucks." It's the same reaction I'd give if my wife told me 1 of her coworkers I met 3 times died.

    And to be honest, I don't get invested too much in the daily lives of celebrities either. Their relationships, marriages, divorces, births, mansions, addictions, or struggles growing up. Truthfully, if you're putting out interesting entertainment I really don't give a shit about how the events in your life have no baring on my own.

    M

    You’re assuming everyone crying of the death of John Lennon was emotionally attached to Lennon himself, whereas I would say most of those people were emotionally attached to his music much moreso than his celebrity. It’s easy to get emotionally attached to art. Art is designed to generate an emotional response. And I think music speaks more directly to people than most other forms of art.

    When an artist like John Lennon is very much in the public eye and is such a vibrant personality, it’s to be expected that some of that emotion attached to his music is transferred to his person as well. That’s just human nature.



    Fair enough. Then I don't have that kind of attachment to any piece of art in any form. Its interesting to me (not as a criticism, but as an observer) that people generate that kind of connection.

    M
  • Matt said:

    Matt said:

    Its interesting to know people were crying when they heard Lennon was murdered. It made me realize how much I don't have a connection with celebrities. I recall being said when I recently heard Paul Walker died, but that was because I knew he had a daughter & felt bad for her. I can't say I got anymore emotional then "Oh man, that sucks." It's the same reaction I'd give if my wife told me 1 of her coworkers I met 3 times died.

    And to be honest, I don't get invested too much in the daily lives of celebrities either. Their relationships, marriages, divorces, births, mansions, addictions, or struggles growing up. Truthfully, if you're putting out interesting entertainment I really don't give a shit about how the events in your life have no baring on my own.

    M

    Matt said:

    Its interesting to know people were crying when they heard Lennon was murdered. It made me realize how much I don't have a connection with celebrities. I recall being said when I recently heard Paul Walker died, but that was because I knew he had a daughter & felt bad for her. I can't say I got anymore emotional then "Oh man, that sucks." It's the same reaction I'd give if my wife told me 1 of her coworkers I met 3 times died.

    And to be honest, I don't get invested too much in the daily lives of celebrities either. Their relationships, marriages, divorces, births, mansions, addictions, or struggles growing up. Truthfully, if you're putting out interesting entertainment I really don't give a shit about how the events in your life have no baring on my own.

    M

    You’re assuming everyone crying of the death of John Lennon was emotionally attached to Lennon himself, whereas I would say most of those people were emotionally attached to his music much moreso than his celebrity. It’s easy to get emotionally attached to art. Art is designed to generate an emotional response. And I think music speaks more directly to people than most other forms of art.

    When an artist like John Lennon is very much in the public eye and is such a vibrant personality, it’s to be expected that some of that emotion attached to his music is transferred to his person as well. That’s just human nature.



    Fair enough. Then I don't have that kind of attachment to any piece of art in any form. Its interesting to me (not as a criticism, but as an observer) that people generate that kind of connection.

    M
    Then you, sir, are a cold, heartless bastard. ;)
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    Matt said:

    WetRats said:

    Matt said:

    Would you have done that (or do something similar) for any other celebrity?

    M

    I object to your term "celebrity".

    John wasn't a "celebrity", he was the heart, soul and voice of a generation.

    Was Martin Luther King a celebrity?
    According to Webster, yes.

    \sə-ˈle-brə-tē\
    noun
    1 : the state of being celebrated : fame
    2 : a famous or celebrated person
    Other forms: plural ce·leb·ri·ties

    To rework my initial question:

    Would any other VOICE get the same treatment?

    M
    Fuck a buncha Websters.

    I'm sorry you cannot grasp the kind of emotional/spiritual connection members of my generation had with The Beatles, and especially John.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    edited December 2013
    WetRats said:

    Matt said:

    WetRats said:

    Matt said:

    Would you have done that (or do something similar) for any other celebrity?

    M

    I object to your term "celebrity".

    John wasn't a "celebrity", he was the heart, soul and voice of a generation.

    Was Martin Luther King a celebrity?
    According to Webster, yes.

    \sə-ˈle-brə-tē\
    noun
    1 : the state of being celebrated : fame
    2 : a famous or celebrated person
    Other forms: plural ce·leb·ri·ties

    To rework my initial question:

    Would any other VOICE get the same treatment?

    M
    Fuck a buncha Websters.

    I'm sorry you cannot grasp the kind of emotional/spiritual connection members of my generation had with The Beatles, and especially John.
    That's what its sounding like. And don't be sorry. I don't get the same connection people have with God (in what're name/form) & religion, BUT I understand the psychological need people have to have that connection. I'm just an observer.

    Matt said:

    Matt said:

    Its interesting to know people were crying when they heard Lennon was murdered. It made me realize how much I don't have a connection with celebrities. I recall being said when I recently heard Paul Walker died, but that was because I knew he had a daughter & felt bad for her. I can't say I got anymore emotional then "Oh man, that sucks." It's the same reaction I'd give if my wife told me 1 of her coworkers I met 3 times died.

    And to be honest, I don't get invested too much in the daily lives of celebrities either. Their relationships, marriages, divorces, births, mansions, addictions, or struggles growing up. Truthfully, if you're putting out interesting entertainment I really don't give a shit about how the events in your life have no baring on my own.

    M

    Matt said:

    Its interesting to know people were crying when they heard Lennon was murdered. It made me realize how much I don't have a connection with celebrities. I recall being said when I recently heard Paul Walker died, but that was because I knew he had a daughter & felt bad for her. I can't say I got anymore emotional then "Oh man, that sucks." It's the same reaction I'd give if my wife told me 1 of her coworkers I met 3 times died.

    And to be honest, I don't get invested too much in the daily lives of celebrities either. Their relationships, marriages, divorces, births, mansions, addictions, or struggles growing up. Truthfully, if you're putting out interesting entertainment I really don't give a shit about how the events in your life have no baring on my own.

    M

    You’re assuming everyone crying of the death of John Lennon was emotionally attached to Lennon himself, whereas I would say most of those people were emotionally attached to his music much moreso than his celebrity. It’s easy to get emotionally attached to art. Art is designed to generate an emotional response. And I think music speaks more directly to people than most other forms of art.

    When an artist like John Lennon is very much in the public eye and is such a vibrant personality, it’s to be expected that some of that emotion attached to his music is transferred to his person as well. That’s just human nature.



    Fair enough. Then I don't have that kind of attachment to any piece of art in any form. Its interesting to me (not as a criticism, but as an observer) that people generate that kind of connection.

    M
    Then you, sir, are a cold, heartless bastard. ;)
    When something happens to my family, close friends, & dog I get emotional & say more then "Oh man, that sucks."

    M
  • TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    I was walking around singing "Ticket to Ride" the other day, apropos of nothing, so I'll put that as my pre-Rubber Soul pick.

    I remember it was a snowy day but school was still in session so my parents gave me and a few other kids a lift to school that day when we heard about Lennon's assassination. I remember it was sad, and I knew who the Beatles were, but I wasn't particularly broken up about them. It wasn't like someone from KISS had died (I'm being partially serious/partially humorous here. :) ).
  • John_SteedJohn_Steed Posts: 2,087

    photo asterixbeatles_zpsd0759023.jpg

    forgot to mention: panel is taken from Asterix in Britain
  • David_DDavid_D Posts: 3,881
    We may have inadvertently poisoned our daughter's relationship with the Beatles music, as an early method to get her to fall asleep as a baby was to play the Rockabye Baby! Lullaby Renditions of The Beatles over and over. And "Yellow Submarine" was one of the songs I would sing to her over and over as a lullaby.

    It worked then. But now she shouts if I attempt a single note of 'Submarine these days!
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    David_D said:

    We may have inadvertently poisoned our daughter's relationship with the Beatles music, as an early method to get her to fall asleep as a baby was to play the Rockabye Baby! Lullaby Renditions of The Beatles over and over. And "Yellow Submarine" was one of the songs I would sing to her over and over as a lullaby.

    It worked then. But now she shouts if I attempt a single note of 'Submarine these days!

    Time to move on to "Cry Baby Cry".
  • kiwijasekiwijase Posts: 451

    rebis said:

    WetRats said:

    What other band could have a song about burning down a girl's apartment because she didn't come across?

    The Barenaked Ladies.

    Just saying.
    Johnny Cash.
    No, he might sing about killing a girl for cheating on him, but he would never be so crass as to kill a girl in song for not doing the deed.
    What a gentleman.

    How about "Burning down the House" by Talking Heads? Would that count?
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    kiwijase said:

    rebis said:

    WetRats said:

    What other band could have a song about burning down a girl's apartment because she didn't come across?

    The Barenaked Ladies.

    Just saying.
    Johnny Cash.
    No, he might sing about killing a girl for cheating on him, but he would never be so crass as to kill a girl in song for not doing the deed.
    What a gentleman.

    How about "Burning down the House" by Talking Heads? Would that count?
    Bzzzt! Nope.
  • nweathingtonnweathington Posts: 6,736
    edited December 2013
    Matt said:


    When something happens to my family, close friends, & dog I get emotional & say more then "Oh man, that sucks."

    M


    I stand corrected. You are not a cold, heartless bastard, merely one possessing a soul with the depth of a Petri dish. :D

    Seriously, though, there are no songs that evoke any kind of emotional response in you whatsoever? No song that makes you wistfully remember your first girlfriend? No song that reminds you of that awesome road trip you took with your best buds back in your college days? Not even a Christmas carol that brings up the joy you felt when you found that Junior Detective Set you’d wanted so badly under the tree on Christmas morning? Nada?



  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    edited December 2013

    Matt said:


    When something happens to my family, close friends, & dog I get emotional & say more then "Oh man, that sucks."

    M


    I stand corrected. You are not a cold, heartless bastard, merely one possessing a soul with the depth of a Petri dish. :D

    Seriously, though, there are no songs that evoke any kind of emotional response in you whatsoever? No song that makes you wistfully remember your first girlfriend? No song that reminds you of that awesome road trip you took with your best buds back in your college days? Not even a Christmas carol that brings up the joy you felt when you found that Junior Detective Set you’d wanted so badly under the tree on Christmas morning? Nada?



    Sure;
    'With or Without You' by U2 - first kiss
    'Possession' by Sarah McLachlan - sense of homicidal power
    'Full of Grace' by Sarah McLachlan - loss of my first love
    'Mad World' by Michael Andrews & Gary Jules - low point in my life
    'Back in Black' by AC/DC - a "rebirth"

    With the exception of 'Possession', I've exorcized those demons that the song brought about (Possession helps fuel THOSE demons). I recall how I felt with each song, I just don't feel it anymore.

    Also, despite the feelings I had connected with a song, I won't really give more then a "that sucks" when the singer(s) die. It's just...logical. ;)

    M
  • Matt said:

    Matt said:


    When something happens to my family, close friends, & dog I get emotional & say more then "Oh man, that sucks."

    M


    I stand corrected. You are not a cold, heartless bastard, merely one possessing a soul with the depth of a Petri dish. :D

    Seriously, though, there are no songs that evoke any kind of emotional response in you whatsoever? No song that makes you wistfully remember your first girlfriend? No song that reminds you of that awesome road trip you took with your best buds back in your college days? Not even a Christmas carol that brings up the joy you felt when you found that Junior Detective Set you’d wanted so badly under the tree on Christmas morning? Nada?



    Sure;
    'With or Without You' by U2 - first kiss
    'Possession' by Sarah McLachlan - sense of homicidal power
    'Full of Grace' by Sarah McLachlan - loss of my first love
    'Mad World' by Michael Andrews & Gary Jules - low point in my life
    'Back in Black' by AC/DC - a "rebirth"

    With the exception of 'Possession', I've exorcized those demons that the song brought about (Possession helps fuel THOSE demons). I recall how I felt with each song, I just don't feel it anymore.

    Also, despite the feelings I had connected with a song, I won't really give more then a "that sucks" when the singer(s) die. It's just...logical. ;)

    M
    See, you do have a soul! You just keep it locked up in the basement.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    edited December 2013

    Matt said:

    Matt said:


    When something happens to my family, close friends, & dog I get emotional & say more then "Oh man, that sucks."

    M


    I stand corrected. You are not a cold, heartless bastard, merely one possessing a soul with the depth of a Petri dish. :D

    Seriously, though, there are no songs that evoke any kind of emotional response in you whatsoever? No song that makes you wistfully remember your first girlfriend? No song that reminds you of that awesome road trip you took with your best buds back in your college days? Not even a Christmas carol that brings up the joy you felt when you found that Junior Detective Set you’d wanted so badly under the tree on Christmas morning? Nada?



    Sure;
    'With or Without You' by U2 - first kiss
    'Possession' by Sarah McLachlan - sense of homicidal power
    'Full of Grace' by Sarah McLachlan - loss of my first love
    'Mad World' by Michael Andrews & Gary Jules - low point in my life
    'Back in Black' by AC/DC - a "rebirth"

    With the exception of 'Possession', I've exorcized those demons that the song brought about (Possession helps fuel THOSE demons). I recall how I felt with each song, I just don't feel it anymore.

    Also, despite the feelings I had connected with a song, I won't really give more then a "that sucks" when the singer(s) die. It's just...logical. ;)

    M
    See, you do have a soul! You just keep it locked up in the basement.
    This has made me realize aside from family, close friends, & specific pets, I wouldn't say there's anyone or group that's impacted or influenced me enough to breakdown at the death. No celebrities, no voices (for WetRats), politicians, spokespeople, religious figures, etc that would really rock me to the core if they got married, divorced, had kids, or died.

    Even if we're talking the art vs. the person. If the art impacted me, it'll live on forever. I'd say the A-Team impacted some of my values. I was sad to hear George Peppard died, but at the same time, it was his role of Hannibal I cared more about. Peppard sounded like a guy I really wouldn't have wanted in my inner circle of friends.

    M
  • LibraryBoyLibraryBoy Posts: 1,803
    I was only 4 when John was killed, so I guess I have some recollection of it, but given that it happened in the December of the first Christmas I really remember, any memories I have of that period are Christmas-related.

    I hate to admit it, but I think my biggest connection to the Fab Four at that point in my life was the Stars on 45 Beatles medley! I didn't start to really learn about the band until Paul's string of duet hits kicked off a year or two later.
  • Matt said:

    Matt said:

    Matt said:


    When something happens to my family, close friends, & dog I get emotional & say more then "Oh man, that sucks."

    M


    I stand corrected. You are not a cold, heartless bastard, merely one possessing a soul with the depth of a Petri dish. :D

    Seriously, though, there are no songs that evoke any kind of emotional response in you whatsoever? No song that makes you wistfully remember your first girlfriend? No song that reminds you of that awesome road trip you took with your best buds back in your college days? Not even a Christmas carol that brings up the joy you felt when you found that Junior Detective Set you’d wanted so badly under the tree on Christmas morning? Nada?



    Sure;
    'With or Without You' by U2 - first kiss
    'Possession' by Sarah McLachlan - sense of homicidal power
    'Full of Grace' by Sarah McLachlan - loss of my first love
    'Mad World' by Michael Andrews & Gary Jules - low point in my life
    'Back in Black' by AC/DC - a "rebirth"

    With the exception of 'Possession', I've exorcized those demons that the song brought about (Possession helps fuel THOSE demons). I recall how I felt with each song, I just don't feel it anymore.

    Also, despite the feelings I had connected with a song, I won't really give more then a "that sucks" when the singer(s) die. It's just...logical. ;)

    M
    See, you do have a soul! You just keep it locked up in the basement.
    This has made me realize aside from family, close friends, & specific pets, I wouldn't say there's anyone or group that's impacted or influenced me enough to breakdown at the death. No celebrities, no voices (for WetRats), politicians, spokespeople, religious figures, etc that would really rock me to the core if they got married, divorced, had kids, or died.

    Even if we're talking the art vs. the person. If the art impacted me, it'll live on forever. I'd say the A-Team impacted some of my values. I was sad to hear George Peppard died, but at the same time, it was his role of Hannibal I cared more about. Peppard sounded like a guy I really wouldn't have wanted in my inner circle of friends.

    M
    I’m actually much the same way, Matt. My emotional ties to art (in all its myriad forms) seem to be much stronger than yours on the whole, but I very, very rarely cry over people I don’t personally know. I may be saddened to hear of their passing, saddened for their familiy, saddened for what they might have yet accomplished, but that’s about it. And I think a large number of people are that way, actually. It’s difficult to care that strongly about someone you have no direct connection with.

    People who get “rocked to the core” over celebrity weddings, divorces, etc., are probably living vicariously through those celebrities. I think that’s something different than what we’ve been talking about with the Beatles. Like I said, I think most people connect first (and perhaps only) with the music, and then expand that connection to include the performers themselves. Those connections may be expressed the same way, but they are fundamentally different.
  • nweathingtonnweathington Posts: 6,736
    edited December 2013
    Matt said:

    I'd say the A-Team impacted some of my values.

    Wait a minute. The A-Team? I take it back. You have no soul.
  • John_SteedJohn_Steed Posts: 2,087

    ...
    I hate to admit it, but I think my biggest connection to the Fab Four at that point in my life was the Stars on 45 Beatles medley! ...

    Wow - totally forgot about that Stars on 45 hysteria. I was 15 when that Dutch project ruled the European charts. We hated it. What else. %-(
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    edited December 2013

    Matt said:

    I'd say the A-Team impacted some of my values.

    Wait a minute. The A-Team? I take it back. You have no soul.
    You mean the notion of helping people despite your own blight (like being actively pursued by the military for a crime you didn't commit) means you have no soul?

    How about fighting for the little guy against people who think they're above the law?

    M
  • John_SteedJohn_Steed Posts: 2,087
    The A-Team not commiting a crime?
    The fashion police would tell you otherwise.

    <:-P
  • Matt said:

    Matt said:

    I'd say the A-Team impacted some of my values.

    Wait a minute. The A-Team? I take it back. You have no soul.
    You mean the notion of helping people despite your own blight (like being actively pursued by the military for a crime you didn't commit) means you have no soul?

    M
    No, the notion of helping people despite your own plight as long as they have to money to pay you to do so. That was the premise of the show, yes? “Maybe you can hire [emphasis mine] the A-Team”?
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    edited December 2013

    Matt said:

    Matt said:

    I'd say the A-Team impacted some of my values.

    Wait a minute. The A-Team? I take it back. You have no soul.
    You mean the notion of helping people despite your own blight (like being actively pursued by the military for a crime you didn't commit) means you have no soul?

    M
    No, the notion of helping people despite your own plight as long as they have to money to pay you to do so. That was the premise of the show, yes? “Maybe you can hire [emphasis mine] the A-Team”?
    How many episodes did they actually get their fee? How many of THOSE episodes did they get the full amount? Having watched the series numerous times, there are far more times they DIDN'T get paid then when they did.

    There were episodes the bad guys offered more then the clients. They're were a lot of episodes they found them in a situation where they decided to help out.

    Trust me, if they were really mercenaries I wouldn't have enjoyed the show.

    M
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457

    The A-Team not commiting a crime?
    The fashion police would tell you otherwise.

    <:-P </p>

    That's the beauty of helping people AND already being wanted. They don't have to be concerned about dealing with the police during their 'job.'

    M
  • Matt said:

    Matt said:

    Matt said:

    I'd say the A-Team impacted some of my values.

    Wait a minute. The A-Team? I take it back. You have no soul.
    You mean the notion of helping people despite your own blight (like being actively pursued by the military for a crime you didn't commit) means you have no soul?

    M
    No, the notion of helping people despite your own plight as long as they have to money to pay you to do so. That was the premise of the show, yes? “Maybe you can hire [emphasis mine] the A-Team”?
    How many episodes did they actually get their fee? How many of THOSE episodes did they get the full amount? Having watched the series numerous times, there are far more times they DIDN'T get paid then when they did.

    There were episodes the bad guys offered more then the clients. They're were a lot of episodes they found them in a situation where they decided to help out.

    Trust me, if they were really mercenaries I wouldn't have enjoyed the show.

    M
    I’m just messing with you, Matt, but the fact remains that they do ask for a fee, and they do state in the opening credits that they are mercenaries for hire. But I think it’s great you can take something meaningful from such a ridiculous show (and I say “ridiculous” with affection—I watched the show pretty much every week for the first two or three seasons). Maybe you do have a soul after all.
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