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Spider-Man: Homecoming (spoilers)-- Seen it? Discuss it here.

bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967
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Did you predict the killer twist finale? There be spoilers ahead!!

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  • RedRight88RedRight88 Posts: 2,207
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    Here are my thoughts on Spider-Man: Homecoming (Spoilers).

    Also, my Patreon Page.
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  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    I was totally suckered.

    I loved it.

    When Toomes opened that door, I whooped.

    (Not the only time I whooped, either.)
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  • RickMRickM Posts: 407
    It was good but I didn't love it as much as some other people. Heck of a cast though, even in the little parts like Hannibal Burress as the gym teacher. Holland is excellent as Peter. Some parts of it are busy, where there's so much world-building and references to other properties, that I find it a detriment to the story at hand. But all the comic book movies are doing this, so I don't think we'll ever go back to a movie not being part of a never-ending series.

    It's probably the best Spidey film since Spider-Man II.
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  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    edited July 2017
    RickM said:

    Some parts of it are busy, where there's so much world-building and references to other properties, that I find it a detriment to the story at hand. But all the comic book movies are doing this, so I don't think we'll ever go back to a movie not being part of a never-ending series.

    I read this criticism often now with these movies (also the mid & post credit scenes as if after 2hrs another 5 minutes is going to kill ya). It bothers me only when new franchises try to do it. Marvel took the time in the beginning to build momentum to world build more & more with each movie. Now studios try to jump right into that speed. It's why they struggle, some even fail out right.

    It's become no different then TV shows; at least when I was watching. They really didn't have standalone episodes, but rather arcs.

    Truthfully, the "John Blake" & "Miranda Tate" reveals are more annoying (https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/culture/2017/7/8/15938654/spiderman-homecoming-zendaya). The casting for Flash Thompson (what's the term for reverse-whitewashing?) didn't bother me as much as making him a rich prick instead of a jock. At some point, they aren't really using characters from the source material, just the names of the characters.
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  • Mr_CosmicMr_Cosmic Posts: 3,200
    Loved it but my one complaint was MJ. What a pointless character in this movie.
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  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    In case you missed them the first time around:

    http://variety.com/2017/film/news/spider-man-homecoming-easter-eggs-1202489884/amp/
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  • RickMRickM Posts: 407
    I'll give the movie a lot of credit for avoiding predictable story devices. There was no "bully in the high school hallway" stuff, thank God. And (SPOILER) the villain ends up in prison rather than dead, which allows us to avoid one more of those "you killed my father!" confrontations with Liz. That got really old with James Franco in the first set of Spidey movies.
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  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    I promote the notion of everyone getting their own opinion & don't jump ugly on someone who doesn't agree with me. Having said that, have some people never watched the 24 (and 1 unofficial) Bond movies?

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jul/09/spider-man-homecoming-review-tom-holland-michael-keaton

    "Formulaic," "recycled," etc. When something works (especially financially) why mess with it?
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  • RickMRickM Posts: 407
    I thought Zendaya was excellent.
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  • bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967
    edited July 2017
    Matt said:

    I promote the notion of everyone getting their own opinion & don't jump ugly on someone who doesn't agree with me. Having said that, have some people never watched the 24 (and 1 unofficial) Bond movies?

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jul/09/spider-man-homecoming-review-tom-holland-michael-keaton

    "Formulaic," "recycled," etc. When something works (especially financially) why mess with it?

    Good point @Matt. Speaking of James Bond, I only just watched OHMSS last week and I loved it. I'm only regret that I avoided watching it all these years. It was a particular treat to watch. I know that's not the "unofficial film" you mention (Casino Royal), but just thought I throw that in here on an unrelated thread.
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  • nweathingtonnweathington Posts: 6,748
    OHMSS is my second-favorite Bond film.
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  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    bralinator said:

    Matt said:

    I promote the notion of everyone getting their own opinion & don't jump ugly on someone who doesn't agree with me. Having said that, have some people never watched the 24 (and 1 unofficial) Bond movies?

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jul/09/spider-man-homecoming-review-tom-holland-michael-keaton

    "Formulaic," "recycled," etc. When something works (especially financially) why mess with it?

    Good point @Matt. Speaking of James Bond, I only just watched OHMSS last week and I loved it. I'm only regret that I avoided watching it all these years. It was a particular treat to watch. I know that's not the "unofficial film" you mention (Casino Royal), but just thought I throw that in here on an unrelated thread.
    Actually, I was referencing "Never Say Never Again."
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  • bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967
    edited July 2017
    Matt said:


    Actually, I was referencing "Never Say Never Again."

    Oh that's right! The unofficial Thunderball remake that is outside of the James Bond canon. Although, it IS still a "Bond film". Its star, Sean Connery, vowed to 'never again' play Agent 007 following his last bow in "Diamonds Are Forever". I enjoyed that one as well, except for Kim B.
    nweathington said:

    OHMSS is my second-favorite Bond film.

    What's your fave?
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  • nweathingtonnweathington Posts: 6,748
    From Russia, With Love
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  • bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967
    nweathington said:

    From Russia, With Love

    Just rewatched that this week. Perfection.
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  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    Since Keaton was cast, I was wondering how he'd handle interviews for Spider-man: Homecoming when Batman was mentioned. I wasn't sure if he'd pander to the current paycheck.

    That's answered starting at the 44 second mark:

    https://youtu.be/KpcPSO-oRaU
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  • Mr_CosmicMr_Cosmic Posts: 3,200
    RickM said:

    I thought Zendaya was excellent.

    At what exactly? Looking bored and mumbling?
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  • RickMRickM Posts: 407
    Not sure what happened in this thread, but I'll be going now.
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  • bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967
    RickM said:

    Not sure what happened in this thread, but I'll be going now.

    Not interested in telling @Mr_Cosmic what you particularly liked about Zendaya, @RickM?
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  • bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967
    Matt said:

    Since Keaton was cast, I was wondering how he'd handle interviews for Spider-man: Homecoming when Batman was mentioned. I wasn't sure if he'd pander to the current paycheck.

    That's answered starting at the 44 second mark:

    https://youtu.be/KpcPSO-oRaU

    I got the impression that Mr. Keaton wasn't enamored with Entertainment Tonight's (typical) interview depth-level.
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  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    bralinator said:

    Matt said:

    Since Keaton was cast, I was wondering how he'd handle interviews for Spider-man: Homecoming when Batman was mentioned. I wasn't sure if he'd pander to the current paycheck.

    That's answered starting at the 44 second mark:

    https://youtu.be/KpcPSO-oRaU

    I got the impression that Mr. Keaton wasn't enamored with Entertainment Tonight's (typical) interview depth-level.
    I've been watching more Keaton interviews then I have since Batman Returns. It occurs to me what made his Bruce Wayne work so well in those 2 movies is that he essentially was playing himself. My wife thinks he comes off very weird (I attributed that to his Steelers & Penguins fandom...much like her). I think he just appears eccentric & can keep people at a distance.

    To some extent, it's like what RDJ does with Stark. He didn't play the character as he was in the comic books, but seems to have taken his personality and turned it up to 11.

    Makes them both very talented actors.
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  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    Wonder if this is back peddling now:

    http://comicbook.com/marvel/amp/2017/07/10/spider-man-homecoming-zendaya-michelle-mj/
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  • TheOriginalGManTheOriginalGMan Posts: 1,763
    edited July 2017
    Saw it over the weekend and loved it. For my money, easily the best Spider-Man movie of all-time, and arguably a top 10 superhero movie of all-time as well.

    Tom Holland was fantastic. Heard many folks compare him to a young Michael J. Fox from his "Back to the Future" days and I think the comparison is spot on. A charming, lovable, easy-to-root-for kid, with a dash of Charlie Brown thrown into the mix in an "always has the football pulled away from him at the last second" kind of way.

    I think Keaton's Vulture is their best villain since Loki. I really can't believe they pulled the Vulture off as well as they did, including the costume! (<-- well, kinda sorta). The twist with him being Liz' dad was great. Didn't see it coming until the split second Peter was waiting for the front door to open.

    And the scene in the car with Vulture and Peter at the dance? One of the best scenes Marvel has ever filmed. Great performance by both actors right there. The look of stress and tension on Peter's face throughout the scene was tremendous.

    The Scorpion was a nice little surprise. I love Michael Mando on "Better Call Saul," so I'm excited at the thought of him playing a role in the MCU going forward (I hope).

    I guess I'm in the minority on Zendaya. Thought she was great. Reminded me a lot of Ally Sheedy's character in "Breakfast Club." The quirky, dark, sarcastic outcast type. Found myself laughing at her throughout the movie.

    A couple of plot questions ...

    1) When Peter steals Flash's car and calls Ned to have him track his phone that he left in Keaton's car ... how was Peter able to call him without his phone?

    2) When Peter is hanging onto the airplane, it looked like he kicked the Vulture's wings off, then the next thing we know Keaton has them on and is flying at Peter. I think I missed something there.
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  • TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    TheOriginalGMan said:


    I think Keaton's Vulture is their best villain since Loki. I really can't believe they pulled the Vulture off as well as they did, including the costume! (

    There were actual gasps in the theater I saw it in when the door opened. My wife said "How did we NOT see that coming?"

    I, of course, said "Wait'll you find out her mother's name is Martha!" :smiley:
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  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    TheOriginalGMan said:

    1) When Peter steals Flash's car and calls Ned to have him track his phone that he left in Keaton's car ... how was Peter able to call him without his phone?

    2) When Peter is hanging onto the airplane, it looked like he kicked the Vulture's wings off, then the next thing we know Keaton has them on and is flying at Peter. I think I missed something there.

    1) Flash's phone?

    2) I presumed the wings homed in on Toomes.

    BTW: Agreement on all your points.
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  • TheOriginalGManTheOriginalGMan Posts: 1,763
    WetRats said:


    1) Flash's phone?

    2) I presumed the wings homed in on Toomes.

    Thought of both of those, and you're probably right. If it was Flash's phone though, then there are now records showing that his phone called Ned's phone while his car was missing, and thus exposing the fact that Peter is Spider-Man.

    On the Vulture wings thing, you'd think they could've added a 5 second clip of Keaton reacquiring control of them.

    Eh, whatever. Minor glitches in a thoroughly enjoyable movie.

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  • matchkitJOHNmatchkitJOHN Posts: 1,030
    edited July 2017
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    The more I see of this costume the more I really like it. Being back in the comics game for nearly 15 years and I have never thought about buying a toy. I wish this type of design went into the Goblins especially the New Goblin.
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  • TheOriginalGManTheOriginalGMan Posts: 1,763
    Would love to see a Vulture vs Falcon dogfight in an upcoming movie!
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  • spidspid Posts: 203
    I saw the movie on Sunday, and I really enjoyed it. The sequence between Vulture and Peter Parker in the cart is one of great non-action scenes in any superhero movie. Tom Holland showed a lot of great acting range when they showed him trapped under the rubble.

    One of my favorite comics as a kid was The Amazing Spider-man #267. The premise of the comic is Spider-man chasing a thief to the suburbs where calamity erupts. The sequence of Spidey running through the burbs in this movie is very similar to this comic. Even the end where Spidey becomes almost a villain by not just letting the smile time crook go reminded me of the overall dynamic of this movie.
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  • BionicDaveBionicDave Posts: 377
    Just came back from seeing the movie. I liked it... just thought it felt too long, and yeah, too busy. But Holland's great. And I really enjoyed the twist of Toomes being Liz's dad; such great scenes between Keaton/Holland once that card is played.
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