I like most of the line up. i'm a little indifferent to Jubilee (vampire jubilee still?) and Psylocke but i'm happy to see Rachel Summers (Grey?...same character right?) in the spotlight again. Who doesn't like Mohawk Storm? i'd have gone with X-Women myself but i'm not picky. i'm not committing to the title at this point but i'll certainly pick up number one and at lease give it a once over.
More like X-trogen Men! Am I right here, people? :)
I'm in for just about any book where Rachel Summers/Grey is a part of the lineup. And sure it's a gimmick. Wasn't the first, won't be the last. Every now and then, though, a gimmick will surprise you and work. And as others have noted, in Copiel we trust.
As the X roster has grown over the decades, an X-Girls book of some kind just seems natural in a way. I find it a shame that now that we have it, Jean is not a part of it, but we at least get Rachel. I don't care for the name either.
Sure, it is gimmicky, but really it is no more or less arbitrary than the lineups of most of the other X-teams.
Would an all male team be a stunt?
No of course not, because it wouldn't get any outside media attention.
So if something gets outside media attention, it automatically becomes a stunt, with no other point to it but to be a stunt? From that result (the outside media attention) we can assume the intention was only to get that result?
I don't know that is a sustainable model for a book. I mean, Birds of Prey has been getting published (in different volumes) for more than 15 years or so. Has there been outside media attention for it the whole time? Is it a two decade stunt? Or is it a book that there ended up being an audience for? Could this not be the same thing being tried here? They think there is an audience for a book like this, so they made it.
Just because something gets some media attention doesn't mean that the only point behind it was to do that.
(Also, is this even getting outside media attention?)
Personally, I like that the name is simply X-Men. If it were Birds of X-Men or something like that, then it is making the gender of the lineup the stated, titular focus. And (I hope) that is not the case here. My hope I that, as he did earlier with X-Men, Wood just gets back to telling good X-Men stories. And if the lineup of the team happens to have no guys, then so be it.
More like X-trogen Men! Am I right here, people? :)
I'm in for just about any book where Rachel Summers/Grey is a part of the lineup. And sure it's a gimmick. Wasn't the first, won't be the last. Every now and then, though, a gimmick will surprise you and work. And as others have noted, in Copiel we trust.
I guess what I'm saying is this, I've already seen a few blog posts basically saying "yay, finally an all women team.. female empowerment.. rah rah, celebrate equality"
I don't read X-Men currently, but is this supposed to last? Like, Birds of Prey is essntially all women right? Obviously a small team, but still. All women. Is X-Men supposed to continue like this for a long time, or is gonna be one 6 month arc, and then back to a more regular team?
Sure, it is gimmicky, but really it is no more or less arbitrary than the lineups of most of the other X-teams.
Would an all male team be a stunt?
No of course not, because it wouldn't get any outside media attention.
So if something gets outside media attention, it automatically becomes a stunt, with no other point to it but to be a stunt? From that result (the outside media attention) we can assume the intention was only to get that result?
I don't know that is a sustainable model for a book. I mean, Birds of Prey has been getting published (in different volumes) for more than 15 years or so. Has there been outside media attention for it the whole time? Is it a two decade stunt? Or is it a book that there ended up being an audience for? Could this not be the same thing being tried here? They think there is an audience for a book like this, so they made it.
Just because something gets some media attention doesn't mean that the only point behind it was to do that.
(Also, is this even getting outside media attention?)
Im not saying its a sustainable model for a book. Thats my whole point. I think maybe the whole point of this is to get some attention, and then in a few months the all women group will be gone. Unlike Birds of Prey.
Im also not saying that just because something gets outside media attention that it automatically becomes a stunt. I DO think that could be the reason here. You asked me if having an all male team could be a stunt. Im saying, no it couldnt be because the whole point of a stunt would be to get attention, which a random grouping of all men would never get.
And yes it absolutely is getting media attention, thats how i heard about it.
Maybe I should elaborate. A "stunt" to me would be something to grab attention + sales and then quickly go away.
The New 52 was not a stunt. It got a lot of attention and sales, but 18 months later its still here and its the status quo. If the New 52 universe had gone away after 6 months, that would have made it a stunt.
So if X Men keeps an all female group for a long time, like a year or two or more, I would say obviously it wasnt just a cheap stunt because they stuck with it. But if the cast goes back to being co ed after one storyline, that would indicate to me they just wanted extra attention during the re launch.
@Planeis I don't agree, but I do better understand what you are saying.
For me, I feel like there can be a team of X-Men that is all female without it having to be a stunt. As it was, the team lineup of adjectiveless X-Men has been majority female for awhile anyway, and there are plenty of sustainable books about assortments of X-characters. If one happens to be all-female, or if one happens to be all-male, then they could both be called X-Men as far as I am concerned. And then the starting lineup of one of those books could shift, say adding a male character to one, or a female to the other, and they could still be called X-Men.
And if it is a book called X-Men (and especially if the execution on it is good) then I think there is a sustainable market for it.
@Planeis I don't agree, but I do better understand what you are saying.
For me, I feel like there can be a team of X-Men that is all female without it having to be a stunt. As it was, the team lineup of adjectiveless X-Men has been majority female for awhile anyway, and there are plenty of sustainable books about assortments of X-characters. If one happens to be all-female, or if one happens to be all-male, then they could both be called X-Men as far as I am concerned. And then the starting lineup of one of those books could shift, say adding a male character to one, or a female to the other, and they could still be called X-Men.
And if it is a book called X-Men (and especially if the execution on it is good) then I think there is a sustainable market for it.
fair enough. i guess it isn't like having an all guy band named Queen or anything. Just like when the X-Men were broken into Blue team and Gold team, one of the iterations of the X-men just happened to be female. i'm absolutely okay with that.
I'm hoping it's not a stunt considering it's a team of several of my favorite X-characters. I see no reason for them to change it in a few months, unless sales go down of course.
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Would an all male team be a stunt?
I'm in for just about any book where Rachel Summers/Grey is a part of the lineup. And sure it's a gimmick. Wasn't the first, won't be the last. Every now and then, though, a gimmick will surprise you and work. And as others have noted, in Copiel we trust.
I don't know that is a sustainable model for a book. I mean, Birds of Prey has been getting published (in different volumes) for more than 15 years or so. Has there been outside media attention for it the whole time? Is it a two decade stunt? Or is it a book that there ended up being an audience for? Could this not be the same thing being tried here? They think there is an audience for a book like this, so they made it.
Just because something gets some media attention doesn't mean that the only point behind it was to do that.
(Also, is this even getting outside media attention?)
I don't read X-Men currently, but is this supposed to last? Like, Birds of Prey is essntially all women right? Obviously a small team, but still. All women. Is X-Men supposed to continue like this for a long time, or is gonna be one 6 month arc, and then back to a more regular team?
If it was permanent fine, but if its only a few m Im not saying its a sustainable model for a book. Thats my whole point. I think maybe the whole point of this is to get some attention, and then in a few months the all women group will be gone. Unlike Birds of Prey.
Im also not saying that just because something gets outside media attention that it automatically becomes a stunt. I DO think that could be the reason here. You asked me if having an all male team could be a stunt. Im saying, no it couldnt be because the whole point of a stunt would be to get attention, which a random grouping of all men would never get.
And yes it absolutely is getting media attention, thats how i heard about it.
The New 52 was not a stunt. It got a lot of attention and sales, but 18 months later its still here and its the status quo. If the New 52 universe had gone away after 6 months, that would have made it a stunt.
So if X Men keeps an all female group for a long time, like a year or two or more, I would say obviously it wasnt just a cheap stunt because they stuck with it. But if the cast goes back to being co ed after one storyline, that would indicate to me they just wanted extra attention during the re launch.
For me, I feel like there can be a team of X-Men that is all female without it having to be a stunt. As it was, the team lineup of adjectiveless X-Men has been majority female for awhile anyway, and there are plenty of sustainable books about assortments of X-characters. If one happens to be all-female, or if one happens to be all-male, then they could both be called X-Men as far as I am concerned. And then the starting lineup of one of those books could shift, say adding a male character to one, or a female to the other, and they could still be called X-Men.
And if it is a book called X-Men (and especially if the execution on it is good) then I think there is a sustainable market for it.