Wonder Woman #16 - I laughed - quite literally stopped for a moment and laughed - at a humorous sequence that happened in the book. It was funny, the art and words played together perfectly, and it reminded me that no matter how anal or argumentative we get about our chosen hobby/pastime - it's all about a comic being good enough to make you smile/laugh/cry, etc.
The first few issues of Wonder Woman didn't suck me in, and I lost out, I guess. I hear good things about this book.
Historically (i.e., when I was a kid), most kids started reading DC and then they "graduated" to Marvel. Hence, don't fret; you're just following tradition!
Really? I was a reader in the 70's, and Marvel was the "cool" company that kids were in to and DC was the Uncool company. Did that switch after the 70's? I can see where that could be the case in the 80's, but Marvel was aimed at 12 year olds under Shooter, so I can't see that happening. Once the 90's happened, Image was the entry comics line...and those readers just left comics in 1994 - 1996.
I got into comics in the early to mid '80s, and I remember associating DC with Superfriends. They were the heroes I watched on Saturday mornings as a kid during the late '70s, and occasionally my parents would buy me a toy, coloring book, and sometimes, an actual comic, featuring those characters.
But when I seriously began to read comics, around 1982-1983, it was Marvel that I gravitated to, as they seemed fresh and new, while Superman, Wonder Woman, etc felt like stuff from my childhood. There were exceptions (Batman, New Teen Titans, Legion of Superheroes), but for the most part, I looked at DC comics as for kids, Marvel for teens. That was the attitude of my friends at the time, as well.
Although, that begin to shift when DC released things like Dark Knight, Watchmen, Camelot 3000. But by then, I wasn't far off from dropping out of comics for a while. When I came back, I didn't really find much difference between either company.
My reason for falling away from current DC comics almost ENTIRELY.
The fun books are out there. Unfortunately nobody's reading them or talking about them.
Wonder Woman #16 - I laughed - quite literally stopped for a moment and laughed - at a humorous sequence that happened in the book. It was funny, the art and words played together perfectly, and it reminded me that no matter how anal or argumentative we get about our chosen hobby/pastime - it's all about a comic being good enough to make you smile/laugh/cry, etc.
Demon Knights - Made Vandal Savage and Etrigan interesting again (at least to me). Continued The Shining Knight's tale from Morrison's excellent Seven Soldiers miniseries, gave us some compelling new characters like Horsewoman, Exoristos, and Al Jabr. It's a great blend of fantasy (which I love), action (non-stop at times) and humor...yes, humor...amid all the horror.
All-Star Western - I have never been a fan of Western comics, until now.
I'll be reading these books right up to their eventual cancellation due to low sales (or in Wondy's case, a complete overhaul of the creative team who'll impart a bold new vision of the Amazon that'll negate all that came before it (snarky enough? :) ))
I dropped Wonder Woman after about 8 or 9 issues; I just wasn't getting into it, and it didn't feel like Wonder Woman to me.
I also dropped Demon Knights, but more reluctantly so. I think it was starting to lag at the point I dropped it, but my doing so had more to do with stretching my finances: at that point, it was the book I felt was more expendable among the rest of my list.
All-Star Western is very good. Jonah Hex was getting great reviews before the New52 revamp, and I think it's continued a great run even after moving the stories to old Gotham. (It also helps that I know and have worked with artist Moritat in the past, and like to keep touch with his current projects.)
Wonder Woman #16 - I laughed - quite literally stopped for a moment and laughed - at a humorous sequence that happened in the book. It was funny, the art and words played together perfectly, and it reminded me that no matter how anal or argumentative we get about our chosen hobby/pastime - it's all about a comic being good enough to make you smile/laugh/cry, etc.
The first few issues of Wonder Woman didn't suck me in, and I lost out, I guess. I hear good things about this book.
I guess I could always give it another shot, yes?
Wonder Woman is a gourmet coffee, meant to be savored over a long morning, not a shot of 5 Hour Energy you chug while moving on to other stuff. It took a looong time for it to get to where it is right now, and I don't fault anyone who dropped it for that very reason. I'm just happy I stuck it out - Azz and Chaing's portrayal of the greek gods has been masterful and fun...lord help me...Hera in #16...but it took 15 issues to build up to that page, so I get where people dumped it. These funnybooks ain't getting cheaper. :)
Wonder Woman #16 - I laughed - quite literally stopped for a moment and laughed - at a humorous sequence that happened in the book. It was funny, the art and words played together perfectly, and it reminded me that no matter how anal or argumentative we get about our chosen hobby/pastime - it's all about a comic being good enough to make you smile/laugh/cry, etc.
The first few issues of Wonder Woman didn't suck me in, and I lost out, I guess. I hear good things about this book.
I guess I could always give it another shot, yes?
Wonder Woman is a gourmet coffee, meant to be savored over a long morning, not a shot of 5 Hour Energy you chug while moving on to other stuff. It took a looong time for it to get to where it is right now, and I don't fault anyone who dropped it for that very reason. I'm just happy I stuck it out - Azz and Chaing's portrayal of the greek gods has been masterful and fun...lord help me...Hera in #16...but it took 15 issues to build up to that page, so I get where people dumped it. These funnybooks ain't getting cheaper. :)
Your post makes me want to give it another chance.
Plus, if I could get through Deathstroke for a bit, surely I could get through this.
I read batman detective and b+r. Mostly out of habit / compulsion cause i think theyre just ok. I'm reading gl and gl corps but dropping them now. Reading Jla but tempted to drop it. The only books I'm truly enjoying or consider "good" are batman beyond unlimited and lotdk. Petty sad for a DC fanatic of 25 years where I would typically buy every bat related title and several others.
Wonder Woman #16 - I laughed - quite literally stopped for a moment and laughed - at a humorous sequence that happened in the book. It was funny, the art and words played together perfectly, and it reminded me that no matter how anal or argumentative we get about our chosen hobby/pastime - it's all about a comic being good enough to make you smile/laugh/cry, etc.
The first few issues of Wonder Woman didn't suck me in, and I lost out, I guess. I hear good things about this book.
I guess I could always give it another shot, yes?
Wonder Woman is a gourmet coffee, meant to be savored over a long morning, not a shot of 5 Hour Energy you chug while moving on to other stuff. It took a looong time for it to get to where it is right now, and I don't fault anyone who dropped it for that very reason. I'm just happy I stuck it out - Azz and Chaing's portrayal of the greek gods has been masterful and fun...lord help me...Hera in #16...but it took 15 issues to build up to that page, so I get where people dumped it. These funnybooks ain't getting cheaper. :)
Your post makes me want to give it another chance.
Plus, if I could get through Deathstroke for a bit, surely I could get through this.
The trades are out there...and I believe they're actual trades now not just the more expensive hardcovers.
Wonder Woman #16 - I laughed - quite literally stopped for a moment and laughed - at a humorous sequence that happened in the book. It was funny, the art and words played together perfectly, and it reminded me that no matter how anal or argumentative we get about our chosen hobby/pastime - it's all about a comic being good enough to make you smile/laugh/cry, etc.
The first few issues of Wonder Woman didn't suck me in, and I lost out, I guess. I hear good things about this book.
I guess I could always give it another shot, yes?
Wonder Woman is a gourmet coffee, meant to be savored over a long morning, not a shot of 5 Hour Energy you chug while moving on to other stuff. It took a looong time for it to get to where it is right now, and I don't fault anyone who dropped it for that very reason. I'm just happy I stuck it out - Azz and Chaing's portrayal of the greek gods has been masterful and fun...lord help me...Hera in #16...but it took 15 issues to build up to that page, so I get where people dumped it. These funnybooks ain't getting cheaper. :)
Your post makes me want to give it another chance.
Plus, if I could get through Deathstroke for a bit, surely I could get through this.
I fully agree with you here, which is disappointing to me because the NEW 52 initiative is what got me back into comics after a 25 year hiatus. With the relaunch I was read the following titles;
THEN
- Action Comics - Aquaman - Justice League - The Flash - Firestorm (thru Gail Simone's run) - Green Arrow ( thru Giffen's arc & Winick's #0 issue) - The Savage Hawkman - Earth 2 - Worlds' Finest - Batgirl - Batman - Batman: The Dark Knight - Detective Comics - Batman Inc. - Batwing (Winick's run) - Catwoman ( Winick's run) - Red Hood - Nightwing - Talon - Superman - Superboy - Supergirl - GL - GLC - GL:NG - Red Lanterns - Suicide Squad - Team 7 - Animal Man - Swamp Thing - Fables
NOW
- Fables - Suicide Squad (guilty pleasure for Harley Quinn related reasons) - Green Lantern - Talon - Batgirl (when Gail Simone returns) - Worlds' Finest - Earth 2
I simply lost interest in everything else, with the plentiful pointless violence and the boringly dragging (seemingly never-ending) story-lines most DC titles turned into nothing more then a big waste of time and money. Hell Animal Man & Swamp Thing are both 16 issues into the relaunch, and they're still on the same damn story arc. Most of my $120.00 monthly comic allowance these days is spent on Marvel, TwoMorrow and Indy. Which is quite sad as I've always been a DC-Guy.
I gave the New52 a shot. I really really wanted it to work out. Sadly everything I enjoyed got the axe and the others I was getting didn't hold my attention past 12 issues.
Mind you, I have not read everything DC has put out since the reboot, but I think the best thing they have going doesn't even have its own monthly title... the Shazam back up in Justice League. I think the main Justice League book turned out to be a disappointment, but if that Shazam back up was a monthly title, I'd grab it in a heartbeat!
Damn Skippy! Shazam has been the best part of that book by far and away. If it got it's own monthly title I'd add it to my list in a second.
Wonder Woman #16 - I laughed - quite literally stopped for a moment and laughed - at a humorous sequence that happened in the book. It was funny, the art and words played together perfectly, and it reminded me that no matter how anal or argumentative we get about our chosen hobby/pastime - it's all about a comic being good enough to make you smile/laugh/cry, etc.
The first few issues of Wonder Woman didn't suck me in, and I lost out, I guess. I hear good things about this book.
I guess I could always give it another shot, yes?
Wonder Woman is a gourmet coffee, meant to be savored over a long morning, not a shot of 5 Hour Energy you chug while moving on to other stuff. It took a looong time for it to get to where it is right now, and I don't fault anyone who dropped it for that very reason. I'm just happy I stuck it out - Azz and Chaing's portrayal of the greek gods has been masterful and fun...lord help me...Hera in #16...but it took 15 issues to build up to that page, so I get where people dumped it. These funnybooks ain't getting cheaper. :)
Your post makes me want to give it another chance.
Plus, if I could get through Deathstroke for a bit, surely I could get through this.
The trades are out there...and I believe they're actual trades now not just the more expensive hardcovers.
I have a question, is Alan Scott still gay? I remember this being a big thing initially (I got tired of hearing "hey, Green Lantern is gay now" from non-comic readers), but I have not heard ANY mention of Scott in the new52 since. This seemed like another one of those "shock and awe" diversity moments in the new52 I did not really care for (not the gay aspect, mind you, rather that not the premiere GL was made gay and that it came out of left field.)
I gave the New52 a shot. I really really wanted it to work out. Sadly everything I enjoyed got the axe and the others I was getting didn't hold my attention past 12 issues.
Mind you, I have not read everything DC has put out since the reboot, but I think the best thing they have going doesn't even have its own monthly title... the Shazam back up in Justice League. I think the main Justice League book turned out to be a disappointment, but if that Shazam back up was a monthly title, I'd grab it in a heartbeat!
Damn Skippy! Shazam has been the best part of that book by far and away. If it got it's own monthly title I'd add it to my list in a second.
Wow..I quit reading Shazam because I HATED Billy Batson. I don't mind an unlikable lead, but I actively wanted to see get Omega Beamed and replaced with any of the old DC versions of the character...and I haven't liked most of them.
I'm glad someone likes it, but just not what I want to read with my Captain Marvel.
I have a question, is Alan Scott still gay? I remember this being a big thing initially (I got tired of hearing "hey, Green Lantern is gay now" from non-comic readers), but I have not heard ANY mention of Scott in the new52 since. This seemed like another one of those "shock and awe" diversity moments in the new52 I did not really care for (not the gay aspect, mind you, rather that not the premiere GL was made gay and that it came out of left field.)
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Yes, he is. It's been used a few times in Earth 2 since it 'came out' so to speak. Mostly used his relationship as a motive to make Alan Scott become the hero and beat the bad guys. Trying not to be too spoilery here, but it's not been a massive plot point.
Really? I was a reader in the 70's, and Marvel was the "cool" company that kids were in to and DC was the Uncool company. Did that switch after the 70's?
Actually I was referring to the '60s, especially the late '60s. DC was still producing "kid's stuff" whereas Marvel was killing significant characters (Gwen's father), dealing with campus riots, exposing drug abuse, and introducing black characters. There was no comparison between the companies at the time, so readers would start with Superman and his super dog and his super monkey at DC and then graduate to the more sophisticated plots lines and social commentary of Marvel.
Someone did a pornographic parody of the Superman vs Spider-Man crossover comic from the '70s...It's actually darn close to the comic story, except for all the sex of course.
I'd link you to it, but I don't want to get banned from the forums.
Someone did a pornographic parody of the Superman vs Spider-Man crossover comic from the '70s...It's actually darn close to the comic story, except for all the sex of course.
I'd link you to it, but I don't want to get banned from the forums.
Someone did a pornographic parody of the Superman vs Spider-Man crossover comic from the '70s...It's actually darn close to the comic story, except for all the sex of course.
I'd link you to it, but I don't want to get banned from the forums.
It seems like DC is just following the escalation trends. Think about how many PG13 movies today wouldve been R movies 10-15yrs ago? In fact, think about how many R rated movies are released in theatres.
I think the violence & shock trends is just to mimick the type our culture is use to with movies, video games, & other medias.
I actually added a DC book to my pile this week! Turns out I missed Batman Inc. after dropping it a few issues back, so I went back and caught up on the last couple of them this week. So my total is 3. Still not overwhelmingly awesome, but hey, it's something.
I liked Kelly Jones's artwork on Batman, but I can see where it's not everyone's cuppa. It works really well on special projects like the Batman/vampire graphic novel trilogy and that Deadman mini-series he worked on, but he is an unusual choice for the monthly Batman title. I thought that made it a refreshing change, actually, but to each their own.
For context, at least in the case of the Batman books, they have been dark for decades. I don't think the New 52 is really that different from what came before. For example, right before the New 52, Detective featured a story of Gordon's son as a serial killer and how the family, and Gordon, had to deal with the reality of that. With some exceptions, it has been a looong time since Batbooks have not been dark. Nearly 30 years.
But they have never been this consistently dark. There was always a balance between the darker stories and the general run. Events like Jason Todd's murder were rare events, and generally notable for that reason. I agree with Planeis' observation, and the unceasing darkness of tone and subject matter is one of the reasons why I dropped the Bat-books.
I agree with you completely. And, because the violence was more rare is had impact. Since Didio's tenure there has been a marked increase in the level and frequency of violence... usually "shocking" violence, not the "Thing vs. Hulk" variety of cartoon violence. Case in point, the examples provided by DavidD are the exceptions, not the rule.
The New 52 ( are they STILL callling it that? Who came up with that in the first place? Is it supposed to remind us of when they last published something well written and innovative?) are, almost entirely, dark, grotesque, twisted mockeries of what DC used to be.
You can call it looking through rose colored glasses, but I call it objectively weighing the quality and integrity of the material.
A friend of mine was an avid action figure collector. The other day, he showed up at work with a box full of old action figures... McFarlane ones, or copycats of his style. He said he bought them because they were "cool, dark, and different" at the time, but now, looking at his collection, he had no problem getting rid of them. He said when he looked at them, he just saw a big box of GRAY.
DC's New 52, in ten years, will be a big box of GRAY.
The New 52 ( are they STILL callling it that? Who came up with that in the first place? Is it supposed to remind us of when they last published something well written and innovative?) are, almost entirely, dark, grotesque, twisted mockeries of what DC used to be.
You can call it looking through rose colored glasses, but I call it objectively weighing the quality and integrity of the material.
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I guess I could always give it another shot, yes?
But when I seriously began to read comics, around 1982-1983, it was Marvel that I gravitated to, as they seemed fresh and new, while Superman, Wonder Woman, etc felt like stuff from my childhood. There were exceptions (Batman, New Teen Titans, Legion of Superheroes), but for the most part, I looked at DC comics as for kids, Marvel for teens. That was the attitude of my friends at the time, as well.
Although, that begin to shift when DC released things like Dark Knight, Watchmen, Camelot 3000. But by then, I wasn't far off from dropping out of comics for a while. When I came back, I didn't really find much difference between either company.
I also dropped Demon Knights, but more reluctantly so. I think it was starting to lag at the point I dropped it, but my doing so had more to do with stretching my finances: at that point, it was the book I felt was more expendable among the rest of my list.
All-Star Western is very good. Jonah Hex was getting great reviews before the New52 revamp, and I think it's continued a great run even after moving the stories to old Gotham. (It also helps that I know and have worked with artist Moritat in the past, and like to keep touch with his current projects.)
I guess I could always give it another shot, yes?
Wonder Woman is a gourmet coffee, meant to be savored over a long morning, not a shot of 5 Hour Energy you chug while moving on to other stuff. It took a looong time for it to get to where it is right now, and I don't fault anyone who dropped it for that very reason. I'm just happy I stuck it out - Azz and Chaing's portrayal of the greek gods has been masterful and fun...lord help me...Hera in #16...but it took 15 issues to build up to that page, so I get where people dumped it. These funnybooks ain't getting cheaper. :)
Your post makes me want to give it another chance.
Plus, if I could get through Deathstroke for a bit, surely I could get through this.
Plus, if I could get through Deathstroke for a bit, surely I could get through this.
The trades are out there...and I believe they're actual trades now not just the more expensive hardcovers.
Plus, if I could get through Deathstroke for a bit, surely I could get through this.
I just read 1-14 and liked it a lot.
THEN
- Action Comics
- Aquaman
- Justice League
- The Flash
- Firestorm (thru Gail Simone's run)
- Green Arrow ( thru Giffen's arc & Winick's #0 issue)
- The Savage Hawkman
- Earth 2
- Worlds' Finest
- Batgirl
- Batman
- Batman: The Dark Knight
- Detective Comics
- Batman Inc.
- Batwing (Winick's run)
- Catwoman ( Winick's run)
- Red Hood
- Nightwing
- Talon
- Superman
- Superboy
- Supergirl
- GL
- GLC
- GL:NG
- Red Lanterns
- Suicide Squad
- Team 7
- Animal Man
- Swamp Thing
- Fables
NOW
- Fables
- Suicide Squad (guilty pleasure for Harley Quinn related reasons)
- Green Lantern
- Talon
- Batgirl (when Gail Simone returns)
- Worlds' Finest
- Earth 2
I simply lost interest in everything else, with the plentiful pointless violence and the boringly dragging (seemingly never-ending) story-lines most DC titles turned into nothing more then a big waste of time and money. Hell Animal Man & Swamp Thing are both 16 issues into the relaunch, and they're still on the same damn story arc. Most of my $120.00 monthly comic allowance these days is spent on Marvel, TwoMorrow and Indy. Which is quite sad as I've always been a DC-Guy.
Thanks! I'll check them out.
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I'm glad someone likes it, but just not what I want to read with my Captain Marvel.
Okay, technically it's porn, but still :\">
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I'd link you to it, but I don't want to get banned from the forums.
Thanks for the heads up.
And because you didn't get much Black Cat:
http://m.zzinsider.com/videos/view/jazy_berlin_brings_us_behind_the_scenes_of_spiderman_xxx
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I think the violence & shock trends is just to mimick the type our culture is use to with movies, video games, & other medias.
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Wrong place!
I've been in this spot before. Eventually, I'll lose interest in most of DC's comics, and then come back later when they are doing a huge event.
The New 52 ( are they STILL callling it that? Who came up with that in the first place? Is it supposed to remind us of when they last published something well written and innovative?) are, almost entirely, dark, grotesque, twisted mockeries of what DC used to be.
You can call it looking through rose colored glasses, but I call it objectively weighing the quality and integrity of the material.
A friend of mine was an avid action figure collector. The other day, he showed up at work with a box full of old action figures... McFarlane ones, or copycats of his style. He said he bought them because they were "cool, dark, and different" at the time, but now, looking at his collection, he had no problem getting rid of them. He said when he looked at them, he just saw a big box of GRAY.
DC's New 52, in ten years, will be a big box of GRAY.
*You're welcome on my lawn anytime.