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  • CageNarleighCageNarleigh Posts: 729
    To be honest, when I said I liked the Stargirl image, it had nothing to do with "oh thats Stargirl". It had everything to do with the pose, the costume, the colors, etc. It wasn't "Oh that is one SEXY 16 year old girl" or "well that's wrong". It was just about the art.
  • rebisrebis Posts: 1,820
    You all don't need to apologize for liking any of the images. The "Bombshell" motif is taking the characters from one context and placing them in a very different context. They don't have ages, back stories, continuity, etc. In the Bombshell context, these characters are purely decorative. They are very simply, cheesecake.

    If other forum members want to apply history or continuity to the Bombshell characters, that totally up to them. It should not effect your appreciation of any of the images.
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    rebis said:

    You all don't need to apologize for liking any of the images. The "Bombshell" motif is taking the characters from one context and placing them in a very different context. They don't have ages, back stories, continuity, etc. In the Bombshell context, these characters are purely decorative. They are very simply, cheesecake.

    If other forum members want to apply history or continuity to the Bombshell characters, that totally up to them. It should not effect your appreciation of any of the images.

    Bingo.

    Honestly, in this era in which actual porn can be found anywhere, there's something sweet and wholesome about good cheesecake.

    It's not like they're showing Stargirl and Supergirl licking a giant inflatable penis. (Yes, unfortunately, I saw the pictures from this weekend's Miley Cyrus concert.)

    There's a profound difference between naughty and skanky.
  • TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    Wow, forumites. Let's all put on our petticoats and I'll meet thee at the barn-raising later! :)

    We're really going to wring our hands over an artistic rendering of women/girls that are about as sexually explicit as a Pat Boone album? Honestly? Will I see you people at protests of The Hunger Games movies, where young women and girls are killed and mutilated for our viewing pleasure?

    I've got the Stargirl print and will be ordering Supergirl and Black Canary's quite soon. The missus is kinda partial to the Mera one. They're a great callback to the pinups and propaganda of the 30s and 40s. If you're seeing over-sexualization in them, I'm assuming you were writing DC in anger over Supergirl's costume through most of the 00s, correct? Because I saw more upskirt and panty shots of that outfit than I've seen in most of the manga I read.

    As mentioned - you want to see *actual* Stargirl and Supergirl porn? It's a Google Image Search away, I'm pretty sure...



  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    Torchsong said:

    Wow, forumites. Let's all put on our petticoats and I'll meet thee at the barn-raising later! :)

    Now you've done it.

    I'm picturing various forumites in petticoats.

    X_X
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    WetRats said:

    Torchsong said:

    Wow, forumites. Let's all put on our petticoats and I'll meet thee at the barn-raising later! :)

    Now you've done it.

    I'm picturing various forumites in petticoats.

    X_X
    Now they're having a pillow fight.




    In slow motion.
  • WetRats said:

    WetRats said:

    Torchsong said:

    Wow, forumites. Let's all put on our petticoats and I'll meet thee at the barn-raising later! :)

    Now you've done it.

    I'm picturing various forumites in petticoats.

    X_X
    Now they're having a pillow fight.




    In slow motion.
    I assume there are feathers covering the naughty bits
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314

    WetRats said:

    WetRats said:

    Torchsong said:

    Wow, forumites. Let's all put on our petticoats and I'll meet thee at the barn-raising later! :)

    Now you've done it.

    I'm picturing various forumites in petticoats.

    X_X
    Now they're having a pillow fight.




    In slow motion.
    I assume there are feathers covering the naughty bits
    The petticoats are taking care of that.
  • CageNarleighCageNarleigh Posts: 729
    edited May 2014

    I assume there are feathers covering the naughty bits

    I liked this purely for the words "naughty bits". I'm fickle with my "likes" like that.

  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314

    I assume there are feathers covering the naughty bits

    I liked this purely for the words "naughty bits". I'm fickle with my "likes" like that.
    I'm quite fond of naughty bits as well.

    Er... "naughty bits", that is... :\">
  • luke52luke52 Posts: 1,392
    I must admit, personally I didn't look at these covers as necessarily sexualising these characters. I was looking at them more as an homage to the 'bombshell' art of the 40's, but with a DC twist.

    I'm hoping Marvel line him up for done similar variants in the future being a massive fan of the art style.

    I dint know if anyone's seen it, Ant Lucia has done something similar for a Wondercon (I think) print of Spidey and MJ. That too is stunning.
  • bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967
    Truthfully I find this MUCH more "pornographic" and in poor taste than any of these comic book covers, and I don't care how old Miley is.

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  • bats00bats00 Posts: 275
    edited May 2014
    WetRats said:

    WetRats said:

    Torchsong said:

    Wow, forumites. Let's all put on our petticoats and I'll meet thee at the barn-raising later! :)

    Now you've done it.

    I'm picturing various forumites in petticoats.

    X_X
    Now they're having a pillow fight.




    In slow motion.
    Stop spying on my Saturday nights! ;)

    But to clarify what I said earlier, I wasn't saying I had a problem or not with how Stargirl is shown in the cover but just a bit surprised that John's would ok it since he did base it on his sister. For all I know, it was something she was into and that's why he ok'd it. Just an idle thought really.
  • rebisrebis Posts: 1,820
    WetRats said:

    WetRats said:

    WetRats said:

    Torchsong said:

    Wow, forumites. Let's all put on our petticoats and I'll meet thee at the barn-raising later! :)

    Now you've done it.

    I'm picturing various forumites in petticoats.

    X_X
    Now they're having a pillow fight.




    In slow motion.
    I assume there are feathers covering the naughty bits
    The petticoats are taking care of that.
    Sounds like a party at Elton John's house.


    All credit to Craig Ferguson for that joke.

  • Mr_CosmicMr_Cosmic Posts: 3,200
    Ant Lucia will be at a con I'm going to this weekend. I'm going to have to buy some prints off this guy.
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    Mr_Cosmic said:

    Ant Lucia will be at a con I'm going to this weekend. I'm going to have to buy some prints off this guy.

    What con?
  • Mr_CosmicMr_Cosmic Posts: 3,200
    WetRats said:

    Mr_Cosmic said:

    Ant Lucia will be at a con I'm going to this weekend. I'm going to have to buy some prints off this guy.

    What con?
    SringCon ...near Minneapolis

  • CaptShazamCaptShazam Posts: 1,178
    These are fantastic. Going to order some of the prints for my comic book room.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited May 2014
    Mr_Cosmic said:

    Tonebone said:

    Well, it looks like DC is fully embracing it's target audience... teenage boys who haven't discovered online porn.

    True, I guess. When my grandfather and his fellow enlisted admired the original WW2 "bombshells" (which these are modeled after) they hadn't discovered online porn yet.

    We all know the modern DC comics is NOT paying tribute to a simpler time, and honoring the memory of our boys who fought "over there". They are betting on the easy sale, and putting "acceptable" half naked chicks on EVERY cover, even the ones that don't prominently feature women. Think they will do a "guy" version a few months down the road? Hell, No.

    They are pandering, playing to the least common denominator. I am sad to see there are so many on this forum.
  • Really digging the Stargirl one for some reason...

    I really hate the Stargirl one for two reasons:
    1-Stargirl is around 16 and I think it's a bit more acceptable when you use adult women
    2-Stargirl was created by Geoff Johns as a tribute to his sister Courtney who died in a plane crash and one thing he has spoken about is the fact that he choose her costume (shorts/leggings) because of that.

    Exactly. Thank you.
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    Tonebone said:

    Mr_Cosmic said:

    Tonebone said:

    Well, it looks like DC is fully embracing it's target audience... teenage boys who haven't discovered online porn.

    True, I guess. When my grandfather and his fellow enlisted admired the original WW2 "bombshells" (which these are modeled after) they hadn't discovered online porn yet.

    We all know the modern DC comics is NOT paying tribute to a simpler time, and honoring the memory of our boys who fought "over there". They are betting on the easy sale, and putting "acceptable" half naked chicks on EVERY cover, even the ones that don't prominently feature women. Think they will do a "guy" version a few months down the road? Hell, No.

    They are pandering, playing to the least common denominator. I am sad to see there are so many on this forum.
    I find these images far less "panderous" than the regular versions of these characters.
  • Ok, here we go. You want to know why this bothers me so much?

    This is just a symptom of a larger problem. DC comics, today, does not give a flying F about it's characters, their legacy, their integrity. This kind of "harmless cheesecake" does NOTHING to promote the characters as characters, just hot bodies. It is completely inconsistent with some of the characters they are portraying. My daughter was asking me just the other day about Stargirl, and I was telling her about how cool the character was, and how Johns had created her as a tribute to his sister. She remarked how she loved her costume, and how she wore bike shorts instead of the usual bikini bottom/ hot pants type thing. Oh, here's a picture of her that serves ONE PURPOSE... to sex her up and objectify her. That's what these pinups were, in the 40's... "innocent" as they seem, now.

    DC is not thinking about developing her into a fleshed-out 3 dimensional character, grooming her for animation, movies, novels, etc. They are grabbing a few thousand more sales on one issue, for one month, of one book, and pimping out whatever uterus-husk, at whatever age, they have lying around. I think the Romney "binders full of women" joke is wholly appropriate here.

    Starfire, Harley, Catwoman, and so many more were strong characters before the New 52, and now are just fodder for the flesh machine. Do you realize about 4 million fans of the Teen Titans cartoon series know Starfire as a naive, wholesome, sweet, gentle character? So Didio sexes her up so they can reach the magic 20,000 copies sold mark on her series. No one is stewarding and protecting the characters that have built DC, they are USING them, sometimes in the most lurid way "acceptable" by society. They are figuratively chained up in a basement in a house in Cleveland, until such time they are of use to them.

    And yes, get off my lawn, if you're reading soft core porn with teens.
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    @Tonebone,

    No disagreement about DC's disregard for its characters.

    But I am flummoxed as to how you can see these images as "soft core porn".

    As I said above, they are nowhere near as sexualized as the regular portrayal of the characters.

    The Ami-Comi stuff, sure, but this stuff? Pshaw.
  • rebisrebis Posts: 1,820
    Tonebone said:

    Mr_Cosmic said:

    Tonebone said:

    Well, it looks like DC is fully embracing it's target audience... teenage boys who haven't discovered online porn.

    True, I guess. When my grandfather and his fellow enlisted admired the original WW2 "bombshells" (which these are modeled after) they hadn't discovered online porn yet.

    We all know the modern DC comics is NOT paying tribute to a simpler time, and honoring the memory of our boys who fought "over there". They are betting on the easy sale, and putting "acceptable" half naked chicks on EVERY cover, even the ones that don't prominently feature women. Think they will do a "guy" version a few months down the road? Hell, No.

    They are pandering, playing to the least common denominator. I am sad to see there are so many on this forum.
    Well, thank goodness for you enlightened few to show those of us weak of mind and morals, the error of our ways.

    mea culpa. mea culpa. mea culpa. bite me.
  • bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967
    edited May 2014
    Tonebone said:

    My daughter was asking me just the other day about Stargirl, and I was telling her about how cool the character was, and how Johns had created her as a tribute to his sister. She remarked how she loved her costume, and how she wore bike shorts instead of the usual bikini bottom/ hot pants type thing...

    Starfire, Harley, Catwoman, and so many more were strong characters before the New 52, and now are just fodder for the flesh machine.

    I wouldn't exactly call this soft-core porn, but I agree with much of what you say. Also, being a father of a 14 year old daughter who is sexually harassed at school and prefers strong role models in her fiction, this subject also hits a sore spot for me.
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    I'm as guilty as anyone for supporting the rampant objectification of women in comics, but I have to draw the line on teen girls. Probably why I never developed any real fascination with the Kitty Pryde character. She was too young for me when I was introduced to her.


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    Kitty Pryde and Piotr Rasputin are about to get busy...


    However, men and women are both idealized in comics in various fashions. That's why the argument on how women are objectified in comics is flawed, because it's not objective. Men and women in comics are usually rendered in nearly unattainable idealized bodies, but that is where any kind of equitable similarities end. An athletic male body type suggests strength, power, agility – traits that apply naturally to "superheroes". But for female superheroes, the publishers fashioning them with porn star and model body types suggest beauty, sex, and submissiveness. None of those qualities tie directly to superheroes.

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    While we see this at the Big 2 and a lot of the independent press, Marvel is making some strides by creating characters like Kamala Khan, and with fun blogs poking fun at this trope like ‘The Hawkeye Initiative’ perhaps the trend will slow down a bit, but in the end this appeals to the bulk of the readers.

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    via The Hawkeye Initiative


    We've all heard the argument that superhero comics are primarily male power fantasy driven. Male readers want to be the powerful hero and have gorgeous, sexy, submissive women on their arm. There’s some truth to that, I'm sure. But we can all agree that this appeals to the lowest common denominator. Superhero comics can be (and frequently are) so much more than that, and they can (and should) appeal to a much wider audience, for everyone’s benefit including their own. One way to do that is to actually make the representation of men and women in superhero comics a bit more equal.

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    We'll see if DC puts out a similar line of 'beefcake' variant covers in the coming months. I'm NOT holding my breath. They'd probably argue that many of their covers are already 'beefcake'...
  • TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    rebis said:


    mea culpa. mea culpa. mea culpa. bite me.

    I need a t-shirt of this...

  • CaptShazamCaptShazam Posts: 1,178
    edited May 2014
    Whether we like it or not, DC / WB is not in the business of integrity, legacy, or developing anything. They are in the business of making money and making that money as fast and easy as they can. Of course they are using the characters - they own the characters! This is no a mom & pop store trying to uphold the family name. This is massive corporation trying to make its investors more money than they made last quarter. If they can make a few extra bucks on pin up art based off fictional characters (even those based off real people) they are going to do it.

    The pin up art is great and it is a product that will sale. No one is being harmed or exploited by this. Compared to the regular art, most of this is tame. This is a good (very) short term business decison. If you do not like how the business works, time to walk away and see if anyone publishes a more suitable Amish pin ups collection





  • rebisrebis Posts: 1,820
    @bralinator, you forgot an image.
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  • bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967
    edited May 2014
    rebis said:

    @bralinator, you forgot an image.
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    Thanks for raising the bar @rebis. At first I thought that was the Flash as rendered by JRjr, but then I saw the vag and assumed it was something from the smut manga collection.

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    Don't like comic book art pics? Then you can skip most of my posts...
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