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Marvel NOW! | Shifting to a "Shocking, New Status Quo" Before a Status Quo Has Even Been Set

My Marvel pull-list is about to get even smaller. Last week, Marvel Comics announced a new iteration of "Marvel NOW!" spinning out of Civil War II. While it is unconfirmed how extensive this relaunch will be, this new line-wide status quo shift will once again lead to large-scale relaunches of various titles.

According to Newsarama, Marvel Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso said
"Marvel NOW! is about the future of the Marvel Universe. We’re excited to provide fans with a snapshot of things to come right before San Diego Comic-Con. "Fans can look forward to hearing about brand new titles, returning favorites and even some shocking status quo shifts that are sure to keep fans guessing all the way through Civil War II. There has never been a better time to be a Marvel reader.”
The announcement of another presumed relaunch for Marvel's line begs the question - can a "shocking status quo" be considered very shocking when an ever-shifting dynamic becomes the status quo? Marvel has already had two line-wide "shocking new status quos" occurring in the past year with Secret Wars and "All-New All-Different Marvel." Of course, Marvel announced this new Marvel NOW! initiative on the day DC Comics, launched it's own line-wide renewal, Rebirth.

Marvel Executive Editor Tom Brevoort says
"It's not a stunt, it’s a recognition of the fact that this is the world we live in now, because the demands on readers’ times and dollars are what they are. I’m convinced – utterly convinced – that virtually every comic book reader cannot afford to buy all the comics they’d like to be buying and reading. There are too many good books out there, across all publishers. The average fan just can’t afford everything. What that means is, readers are far more cutthroat these days than they might have been back in the day, in terms of axing any particular title from their pull list, if only because there are so many other delicious looking pieces of candy on the shelf that they might want to sample."
In response to this level of "selectiveness" from fans, Brevoort says Marvel has recognized its titles need to operate at a high level at all times.
"What that means is, every book has to be working at peak performance level every single issue without fail, otherwise you’re put adrift. And even if you do everything right, to the best of your ability, if it’s not the right time, or the right story, or the right character, you can still lose readers. We’ve seen it time and time again that the stuff that sells the best, that people aggregate onto, is stuff that’s just starting. It’s an absolute rarity – not an impossibility, but a rarity – that a book starts out and its numbers grow over time."

"That’s neither condemning or supporting that trend, it’s just a recognition of fact, the audience is much more cut throat in being ready to drop a book if it’s not doing it for them. That being the case, creative teams tend to burn through their material more quickly. There’s not a lot of patience for downtime issues, or a slow build anymore. You can have your great master plan where you slowly set your dominos and then in year two, you’re gonna wow everybody, but your book is gonna be dead in six issues, well before you get to that. People just don’t have the patience to wait a year and a half to get to the good stuff. You have to get to the good stuff immediately. And you have to all be good stuff. Every issue has to be giving readers what they want, or they start to move onto other stories. One of the things a big event story is judged on, rightly or wrongly, is what kind of an impact it has on the Marvel Universe in its aftermath. That just becomes a condition of these big event stories: what is it at the end that changes the landscape?"
While it's inevitable that audiences grow more and more skeptical with every "stunning status quo change," Brevoort insists Marvel's model is working. And, when its returns diminish, Brevoort says they'll "return to the old way, or find yet another new way to do things."
"As long as we have a shift, we can do it infinitely. We can’t always do it with the same level of success; some decisions and some storytelling choices are gonna be better received than others. But them’s the rules of the game. That’s the outcome whether you relaunch or not. Every story we tell, some people will like and some people won’t like. Depending on the numbers that come up in either column, it’s either a success or a failure."

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You can't have a status quo shift if you don't let your books run long enough to even have a status quo. But Brevoort says that's the world we live in now? Maybe they should poll their readers. These continuous relaunches and stories with no real conclusions and series that only last 5 or 6 issues are driving customers out of the stores. Done right, story arcs and initiatives could both tell good stories and maintain sales without relaunches and "seasonal" storytelling, but if Marvel going to keep 're-freshing' every six months to a year, couldn't they at least make sure to tie up loose ends from the previous year> Looking at Original Sin, Secret Wars, et al. Readers inevitably will ask why they should invest time and money on something that has no payoff and will buy less and less. Funny how Brevoort realizes readers don't have enough money to read everything they want, but makes no mention of the price of his funny books being higher than they've ever been.

Comments

  • TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    I'll put on my old curmudgeon hat here...

    As puzzled as I am by the need to have constant renumbering and resets of long-established properties, as long as the stories are good, I'm all for doing whatever they want to do.

    Just make the books worth reading.

    And get off my lawn!
  • nweathingtonnweathington Posts: 6,748
    I honestly don't see how anything they said there is all that different from how Marvel has been doing business the past five or so years. With one exception: It sounds to me like the biggest change in their approach is going to be more compressed storytelling.
  • David_DDavid_D Posts: 3,884
    I will admit that the MU, as a place, is hard to put a finger on at the moment, especially in the era that has followed Secret Wars. But the individual books I am reading are good, and are largely doing their own thing. Which, in general has always been the case of the books I most enjoy. Usually they are the ones that have their own corner, their own tone, and do their thing. That was what I loved about the books coming out of Marvel Knights back in the late '90s and early '00s, and I feel like under Quesada and now Alonso, there is a sense of giving books that want to do their own thing some space to do so. (Even if there might be some silly renumbering, and, of course, some greedy up-pricing, that can happen in the middle of a creative team's ongoing run, as we saw with Hawkeye and Ms. Marvel).

    But, in general, whatever this next thing is, if it doesn't interrupt what I am reading and enjoying already, then no problem. I don't need to keep the big picture continuity organized, I think that tends to be more of a DCU thing, I can enjoy the books in their silos. Though I respect that, for a reader that wants more of a macro understanding of the MU, it has been a frustrating couple of years.
  • nweathingtonnweathington Posts: 6,748
    Yeah, I'm reading more Marvel titles now than I have since I worked at a comic shop and tried to read pretty much everything (the owner encouraged us to read the new books while on duty during down time so we'd be up on what was going on). None of them are core titles, and they all will inevitably be cancelled because that’s just what happens to the kind of superhero books I enjoy most, so I’m used to short runs of Marvel books. I was a bit sad to see Weirdworld end after only six issues, but I didn’t expect to last more than a year anyway. When something like Silver Surfer picks up enough of an audience to stick around for a while, I take that as a happy surprise.
  • bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967

    I honestly don't see how anything they said there is all that different from how Marvel has been doing business the past five or so years.

    I wouldn't disagree with that comment.
    David_D said:

    there might be some silly renumbering, and, of course, some greedy up-pricing, that can happen in the middle of a creative team's ongoing run

    It's the greedy up-pricing that's partly wearing me out. Remember the Doctor Strange: Last Days of Magic #1 $5.99 one shot?
    David_D said:

    for a reader that wants more of a macro understanding of the MU, it has been a frustrating couple of years.

    And the storytelling isn't as solid as it appears at first. Several stories that have no real conclusions. I'm going to keep going back to one in particular from October 2014.

    What did Nick Fury whisper to Thor in Original Sin that made him unworthy? I still believe that they pulled a 'LOST' and just decided to make Thor unworthy, and didn't actually have a reason for him being unworthy, like a big Deus ex machina. I'm pretty certain that they had no real idea why he might be unworthy and just did it to put the hammer in Jane's hands.

    I realize I'm over-geeking this issue but sometimes what makes us geeks is our passion for the stories/characters and yes, continuity.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    Aside from reading Moon Knight (and stupidly getting suckered in with Secret Wars), I have not read Marvel in years. This will maintain my pull list status quo.

    M
  • BrackBrack Posts: 868


    And the storytelling isn't as solid as it appears at first. Several stories that have no real conclusions. I'm going to keep going back to one in particular from October 2014.

    What did Nick Fury whisper to Thor in Original Sin that made him unworthy? I still believe that they pulled a 'LOST' and just decided to make Thor unworthy, and didn't actually have a reason for him being unworthy, like a big Deus ex machina. I'm pretty certain that they had no real idea why he might be unworthy and just did it to put the hammer in Jane's hands.

    I realize I'm over-geeking this issue but sometimes what makes us geeks is our passion for the stories/characters and yes, continuity.

    I'd be more worried about the Thor thing if Original Sin's Jason Aaron wasn't still the Thor writer.

    And let's not pretend Marvel wasn't full to the brim with stories free of conclusions in the past. I'm old enough to remember the lengthy lists of abandoned X-Men plotlines posted to usenet. Or how about the rotating door on various titles in the 70s meant you often had to leap title to title following a Steve Gerber or Jim Starlin to find out how a story ended?

    That aside, re-doing Marvel Now branding this soon after only doing it 3 years ago is silly.

    Branding aside, whatever they call it, they do need to do something to consolidate their lines. The fact is, there are not enough good superhero artists out there to produce the number of superhero comics Marvel have been attempting, let alone enough to do DC's as well. Did you see that Black Knight comic? How it made it to issue 2, let alone 5 surprised me.

    And books need to launch stronger and punchier. The All-New launch has started to push in that direction, with a surprising amount of opening arcs that have been 1 or 2 issues long, but for every New Avengers, there's also been a Daredevil.
  • nweathingtonnweathington Posts: 6,748
    Brack said:

    The fact is, there are not enough good superhero artists out there to produce the number of superhero comics Marvel have been attempting, let alone enough to do DC's as well.

    I completely disagree with this statement. The fact is that there are plenty of great superhero artists who would make themselves available if Marvel and DC were willing/able to spend the money to hire them.
  • SolitaireRoseSolitaireRose Posts: 1,445

    Brack said:

    The fact is, there are not enough good superhero artists out there to produce the number of superhero comics Marvel have been attempting, let alone enough to do DC's as well.

    I completely disagree with this statement. The fact is that there are plenty of great superhero artists who would make themselves available if Marvel and DC were willing/able to spend the money to hire them.
    Or get over their "we need YOUNG artists"! Jerry Ordway is available for work and it's a crime he's not getting any. Same for Steve Lightle, Sal Buscema and so on and so on and so on. Hell, Rich Buckler is still cranking out solid art on his Facebook page.

  • fredzillafredzilla Posts: 2,131
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    Just tell good stories and people will buy them--and maybe not have them cost an arm and a leg. I've been happy with Doctor Strange, Silver Surfer, Daredevil, and Extraordinary X-Men recently. I'm past caring about new number 1s. Just tell a good story.

    Easy formula to what will get me to buy a certain book:

    [(Writer + Artist) x Character] / Cost

    Anything else is superfluous.
  • nweathingtonnweathington Posts: 6,748

    Or get over their "we need YOUNG artists"! Jerry Ordway is available for work and it's a crime he's not getting any. Same for Steve Lightle, Sal Buscema and so on and so on and so on. Hell, Rich Buckler is still cranking out solid art on his Facebook page.

    That definitely falls under “willing.” DC was guilted into giving Jerry a couple of miniseries a while back, but when those didn’t sell—because they were C-list characters, not because of the artwork—they could say, “Sorry, you don’t sell books anymore.”

    Marvel and DC pay a certain few artists big money, and then find as many competent artists as they can who are willing to work for bottom-end rates to fill out the rest.
  • CaptShazamCaptShazam Posts: 1,178
    To follow Marvel, I really do not need to follow a lot of series monthly. If something is important, Marvel will usually put out a collected edition with 1-2 issues of multiple series. Pleasent Hill is an example of this. Sure, I probably miss out on some details but I get to see the important things of what is going on.



  • bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967
    Matt said:

    Aside from reading Moon Knight (and stupidly getting suckered in with Secret Wars), I have not read Marvel in years. This will maintain my pull list status quo.

    M

    A friend of mine is raving about that series (now on issue #3) and the Vision limited series right now. He suggests skipping the big event tie-ins and sticking with those titles. After getting sucked into SW, I'm over the big events and status quo changes and re-numbering.

    I also agree with @nweathington and @SolitaireRose that there is an embarrassment of riches in the amount of artists out there that should be getting some work from he big 2, and on more than just Black Knight or some other C-list characters - doomed to fail. I wonder if they just don't want to work for the big two?

  • nweathingtonnweathington Posts: 6,748

    I wonder if they just don't want to work for the big two?

    In most cases, I guarantee that is not the issue. There are a lot of reasons for it: ageism, the buddy system, page rates, etc., but lack of desire to draw superhero comics for the Big Two is rarely one of those reasons.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457

    Matt said:

    Aside from reading Moon Knight (and stupidly getting suckered in with Secret Wars), I have not read Marvel in years. This will maintain my pull list status quo.

    M

    A friend of mine is raving about that series (now on issue #3) and the Vision limited series right now. He suggests skipping the big event tie-ins and sticking with those titles. After getting sucked into SW, I'm over the big events and status quo changes and re-numbering.

    I also agree with @nweathington and @SolitaireRose that there is an embarrassment of riches in the amount of artists out there that should be getting some work from he big 2, and on more than just Black Knight or some other C-list characters - doomed to fail. I wonder if they just don't want to work for the big two?

    I'm done with events from Marvel (I was done with DC's for nearly a decade). Marvel sucked me in with Secret Wars through nostalgia & I was highly disappointed. I enjoyed Civil War, but with Bendis helming the sequel & it looking to be a rerun, I'm passing.

    I've only read issue 1 of MK. I'm very lukewarm about it. I'll ride out the first arc, but it feels like soggy cereal.

    M
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