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Batman verses Spider-Man
QuinQuestion
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There is a lot of competition between the Dark Knight and your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man right now with their respective movies coming out soon and so close together. So to up the competition a little who do you think would win in a fight?
The Rules are as follows:
1. You do not talk about fight club! Joking I actually do want you guys to talk.
2. They are fighting at their current level of experience.
3. The fight takes as long as needed (say as long as a story arc)
4. No help from anyone else such as allies, sidekicks, ect.
5. They never met before and have no knowledge of each other.
6. Throw away all personal bias and explain your choice.
If you guys like this maybe we could do a weekly fight club or something.
The Rules are as follows:
1. You do not talk about fight club! Joking I actually do want you guys to talk.
2. They are fighting at their current level of experience.
3. The fight takes as long as needed (say as long as a story arc)
4. No help from anyone else such as allies, sidekicks, ect.
5. They never met before and have no knowledge of each other.
6. Throw away all personal bias and explain your choice.
If you guys like this maybe we could do a weekly fight club or something.
Batman verses Spider-Man 37 votes
Batman
56%
21 votes
Spider-Man
43%
16 votes
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Spider-Man: Much more intelligent and has his own cache of gadgets as seen in Ends of the Earth. He is stronger, faster, super reflexes, and has spider sense (thats the game changer for me).
Batman: Better gadgets and vehicles. More fighting experience. Better detective/street smarts.
When it comes down to it I believe Batman is smart enough to last then escape his first encounter, analyze Spider-Man and counter attack before he is ready but he would not account for his spider sense. Batman relies heavily upon the element of surprise so Spider-Man wins for me but not by much.
I would argue that the idea of Spider-Man being "Much more intelligent" is faulty. Much more scientifically knowledgable, I could go with, but I don't think the intelligence levels are a major gap.
Don't get me wrong, I do think that Peter Parker is generally more intellegent, but if Spidey is a 10 on that scale, I'm going to say that Batman is a solid 8, maybe an 8.5.
The difference is that Bruce Wayne has taken the Sherlock Holmes view with what he has learned, choosing to focus on the knowledge that is pertinent to his mission, and generally disregarding the rest. That focus gives Batman a laser-like precision in his thoughts and actions that gives him the edge.
Spider-Man is stronger, faster, has super reflexes... which isn't a huge factor in this fight. Batman regularly battles above his weight class in each of these areas, against folks that aren't just trying to stop him, but kill him... and wins.
Spider-sense... we'll get to that.
Batman has trained himself to the pinnacle of human perfection. He spent years mastering various fighting styles and weapons, and has regularly used those skills to take down much more powerful opponents.
Batman has trained his mind to be, arguably, the world's greatest detective. His powers of observation, analyzation, and tactical planning are what will eventually overcome the Spider-sense.
In their first meeting, Spidey will put a hurt on Batman, but Batman will realize he is in unfamiliar waters and will make the decision for a tactical retreat.
Batman will then replay the entire fight, over and over in his mind. He will retrieve any footage of the fight - be it ATM cameras, security cameras, cell phone footage posted to YouTube, whatever - and analyze every movement.
Then he'll see it.
He'll see how, somehow, Spidey is able to anticipate and dodge the majority of Batman's moves. Batman will also note, from Spidey's obvious lack of trained fighting skills, that this is not because of a knowledge of the various martial arts Batman uses, but something else. A sixth sense, a telepathic or psychic ability... and a low-level one, at that, since it appears to only *just* alert Spider-Man at the last moment.
When the two meet next, Batman is ready. After all, this is the man that managed to create ways to take down every member of the Justice League, in case he ever had to.
In this battle, Batman chooses the path of simultaneous, multi-directional attack. He manages to lure Spidey into an area that he has prepared. Suddenly, Spidey is not just dealing with the kicks and punches and batarangs of a single man, but also the various "traps" Batman has in place - flash-bangs from various directions, sonic emitters designed to mess with equilibrium, tazers, projectiles, etc., etc., etc.
Spider-sense is rendered not just moot, but a liability as it goes nuts, warning of danger from every side, distracting Spidey from being able to think through his actions.
Spidey cannot dodge everything. He begins taking hits, wearing down, until, finally, Batman stands victorious.
A single, one time meet up, Spidey will win, but won't take Batman down. A story arc? Batman will come out on top.
As cool and tooled up with super powers as spider man is, he has sort of gone slowly more crazy as time goes by, the various moral dilemmas he has had to face in the course of his development. Whereas Batman, is currently running at Badass level. If he was still being played by Val Kilmer, poncing around with Robin, then yeah, i would have voted Spiderman hands down... But we are now in the age of Christian Bale, and the Bat has never been so Badass... (or sounded so stupid when he has his mask on, seriously, i love the new Batman, but he just sounds like he has the worst cold... Fighting crime, with a runny nose)
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Brief battle ensues but Bats ends up hanging from a lamppost with a note saying 'your friendly neighbourhood webslinger'
Fighting wise Bats is by far the best trained and in a fair fight wins but lets not forget Spiderman has had a few years of super heroing under his belt, has his recent Spider Foo that Bats has no experience of ever, spider sense, enhanced reflexes and strength.
Magnetic webbing takes down Bats electronics.
Spidey has plenty of experience dodging bat shaped projectiles, gas projectiles, fighting in smoke and the dark etc.
*I am assuming Bats doesn't have some sort tracer blocking field built into his Bat Suit but knowing Bats it's possible.
Truthfully, I don't even thing it would take 2 fights for Batman to beat Spider-man (and I like both.) We've seen on several occasions where during the battle he is assessing the situation and planning accordingly. A part of the Under the Red Hood storyline, he's fighting an Amazo and assessing how old a model it is with what adapted superpowers. Than, he was buying enough time for "backup" to blow Amazo up.
Sure Spidey has his spider-sense, but that doesn't mean it cannot be trick. Iron Man was able to do so, and I'd say Batman is at least on par with Tony.
I think Spider-man can the abilities, but Batman is a quick learn (it's what he does.) It's like a really big sports fan doing battle with someone who works for a sports team and is a fanatic about the sport.
M
@EarthGBilly said "Spidey's obvious lack of trained fighting skills" that doesn't hold up anymore though with the current level of experience since he was trained by Shang Chi, Peter is now a master of spider-fu or something like that.
I guess what it really boils down to is what suite does spider-man wear to the party, something that can block out sonic stuff and things that could disorient him would be a major advantage.
Even if he beats Batman he either...
-ends up late for Aunt Mae's birthday party
-misses his date with Mary Jane
-forgets to take pictures so JJJ is mad at him and threatens to fire him (again)
-gets caught without his streetclothes so he has to run home in his underoos
-runs out of webfluid across town and has to try and hail a taxi in costume....
no mater what PETER LOSES...
no matter the outcome of the fight Bruce Wayne is still a millionaire playboy with a mansion full of fun toys and a butler. BATMAN WINS.
He's got gadgets now on par with Bats. He uses a wider variety of webbing. He has more than just his everday red and blue longjohns to choose from. He is now a martial artist. He too like Batman now makes contingency plans for his advesaries. Let's not forget that Spidey has historically had an extreme amount of dumb luck and even Batman cannot be at his very, very best every minute of every day.
I think he's the more experienced fighter, has a bunch of gadgets at his disposal in this fight that would work well against Spidey. I understand that Spidey is stronger and a bit faster but Batman is used to fighting people stronger and faster than him and has always come out on top. The key here is strategy and Batman is better able to come up with strategy on the fly quicker than Spider-Man can. Then it also comes down to the fact that Batman is willing to fight dirty to win. I like Spidey but I see Batman as the winner in this one.
I see your Spidey vote, but no reasoning.
M.
You're going to say that Spidey would win because he would stop (which he's proven several times), Batman is the same type of character (this isn't Die Fledermaus.) Doesn't that define a hero?!
M
Now if we're talking Batman verses Snake-Eyes, Wolverine, or Thor (to name a few) I'd say the Dark Knight adds some losses to his stats. I still argue Batman could not have taken down the Hulk in the old Marvel/DC crossover.
Are you talking a fight, or a campaign?
If it's just a fight, then Spider-Man wins. These are two characters who will not give up, but Spider-Man has super powers, and Batman's just a really fit guy. Spider-Man will outlast him. There's no spider-kryptonite for Batman to pull out of his utility belt to level the playing field.
If it's a campaign, Spider-Man has no chance. Batman's near limitless resources give him the edge. Worse comes to worst, he'll ferret out the Peter Parker identity and hit him where he lives: buy the Daily Bugle, divert Aunt May's Social Security, confront him with the deal he made with Mephisto... whatever it takes. If he believes he must win, Batman is an unstoppable force.
Alfred or Aunt Mae?
Still, whatever real-world handles Peter Parker has, Batman would grab them and twist as hard as was necessary.