Original Sin: Guesses and Speculations
Mr_Cosmic
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UPDATE: This thread SPOILS Original Sin 1-4 plus tie in issues.
(SPOILERS FOR ORIGINAL SIN 1-5)
The killer:
1. Used a gun to kill The Watcher.
2. The bullet is green with gamma radiation.
3. The killer has been killing monsters all over the universe(and other dimensions) for many years.
4. They are a great shot. Punisher says only 10 people in the MU could have made the shot that was made in the other dimension.
5. Has enough ammo and the ability to kill a living planet.
I think it's a given the killer will not be Bucky or any of the other characters we've met so far.
The boss in the shadows has access to the gamma bullets but I don't think he is the killer either.
Those of you who are reading Original Sin..do you have any guesses?
Monster hunters...
Red hulk once had a big, gold gun..gamma tie in.. and he punched out The Watcher too...
I don't know why White Wolf, but why not...
Finally...The Obliterator..the Elder of the Universe obsessed with hunting other lifeforms:
(SPOILERS FOR ORIGINAL SIN 1-5)
The killer:
1. Used a gun to kill The Watcher.
2. The bullet is green with gamma radiation.
3. The killer has been killing monsters all over the universe(and other dimensions) for many years.
4. They are a great shot. Punisher says only 10 people in the MU could have made the shot that was made in the other dimension.
5. Has enough ammo and the ability to kill a living planet.
I think it's a given the killer will not be Bucky or any of the other characters we've met so far.
The boss in the shadows has access to the gamma bullets but I don't think he is the killer either.
Those of you who are reading Original Sin..do you have any guesses?
Monster hunters...
Red hulk once had a big, gold gun..gamma tie in.. and he punched out The Watcher too...
I don't know why White Wolf, but why not...
Finally...The Obliterator..the Elder of the Universe obsessed with hunting other lifeforms:
Comments
As to the mysterious boss, I'm still scratching my head on that one. The guy standing kind of behind the boss could have a been wearing a SHIELD uniform, I wouldn't be shocked to see it turn out to be Nick or a version of him. I'm not sure who could get Emma to work with T'Challa and Ant-Man, Starnge and Punisher isn't too far fteched for a team-up and neither is Bucky and Moon Knight, but when you add Gamora, I don't know.
I've been trying to come up with a list of sharpshooters besides Punisher, but really can't think of of handfull of names.
As for my guess- Hawkeye, in the blue area of the moon, with the
wrenchgamma rifle.Brainwashed of course, by hypno-hustler who is trying to keep his post-disco KISS phase a secret.
............................................. Yup, and I managed not to tie it into a movie or tv show...I almost feel like it should be in the off topic forum.
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Ok, not a lot of new info about the killer. However we had one hell of a final page. The "shadow boss" turned out to be the real Nick Fury....aged...really aged. Bucky killed a sophisticated LMD.
Why is Fury so old? Has something gone wrong with the serum? Was there ever a serum and has it been a lie all along?
I'm guessing Barney and Clint Barton would both be on it. Definitely Bullseye. Obviously Frank Castle, and Bucky (as implied by issue 3). Who else makes the 10? Maybe Domino? Cable? Deathlok? Taskmaster?
Like the your Bloodstone theory. Can't see it happening though. And I think Bloodstone is presumed dead (not that it means anything).
Aside from the few interesting tidbits that you have presented, I am finding this "event" a huge mess. I don't have a clue what is going on and nothing feels connected. It is all over the map. What is up with the Mindless Ones? I'm sure by the end it will all come together and I'll change my tune. But right now... it is looking like a train wreck. Never been a fan of Mike Deodato artwork, so that isn't helping matters much either.
While he didn't use those two characters, Aaron wrote the Morrison Marvel Boy in Dark Reign: The List — Wolverine #1. And did a much better job than his portrayal in Dark Avengers at the time. For a start he actually knew what his powers were.
Why is the Punisher involved in a cosmic murder mystery - or for that matter, hanging out with super-heroes at all?
BTW - Great story from Marvel, so far.
@SolitaireRose also said on his podcast that he has a pretty good idea who the killer is...share, Cory, share! :)
The Dr Strange / Punisher pairing is my favourite thing about the series. It's a shame the other unusual team ups arranged by the mystery boss weren't as oddball or had as much friction. And remember, at this point, the Marvel Universe Punisher has died at least twice, been an avenging angel AND been a Frankenstein. Becoming buddy detectives with Stephen Strange isn't all that odd when you really think about it.
SPOILER!
I'm enjoying this Marvel Event more than any in a long time. While I appreciated the scope of Infinity, I'm enjoying Original Sin more on an issue-by-issue basis. It has me intrigued when I thought I wouldn't be. The flavor of this and the unlikely match-ups feel very unique to me.
As for what the actual solution to the mysteries are... I have no idea. Aaron is using a lot of obscure characters, and while that's a plus in my book -- because I love remembering them and/or learning about them -- it puts me totally at a loss to surmise who's behind it all or why. It could be anyone. But I would guess that the big reveal(s) will probably entail major characters rather than a villain that appeared in two issues of Dr. Strange 40 years ago (or whatever).
I guessed that the Nick Fury killed last issue was an LMD... but I guess that's not a major leap. No idea what the deal is with the newly revealed aged Nick Fury, but it's interesting as hell. No idea either why Bucky wouldn't let Moon Knight and Gamora know what was going on -- that's either a fairly UNfair plot-hole or else it still points toward Bucky (if it's the real Bucky) being deceitful.
I'm loving how Aaron has been using those characters from Morrison's Marvel Boy series as well. THOSE TWO would have been just fine to reveal as the Big Bads later on, but if they're just underlings or whatever, then... wow. I have no idea who could be behind it all or why, but so far I feel pretty confident that Aaron will tie everything up nicely.
Deodato's art has always been fine in my book, and I love the way it looks here. Creepy, dark art fits the story well.
I guess the only negative I could give this event is that the tie-in mini-series seem overwhelming. They haven't quite hit stands yet, but I'm looking at the schedule and seeing all kinds of "point" issues, and most of them seem unnecessary and tedious. I'm not buying Original SinS. I guess I would just look at the creative teams and subject matter.
Going by that, the aforementioned "Thor & Loki: The Tenth Realm" (which is also "Original Sin #5.1-5.5" *SIGH*) looks good. It's at least primarily written by Aaron, so probably it's worth a buy. But I'm looking at the advertisements and the solicitations, and maybe it's just me... but they're not matching up. At least, Al Ewing's name is in the ads but not the solicits... and I don't want to buy this if it's just "plotted" by Jason Aaron but actually written by someone else. Also, the solicits show Dale Keown as an artist... but his name is missing from the ads. Maybe he's just doing covers...
Either way, I'm really enjoying the event so far. It's far exceeded my expectations.
If people are on the fence about this... It's worth it just to see the Punisher interact with Rocket Raccoon.
SHOEHORN!
Not a fan of Gaiman's Angela character. I don't like how she has been squeezed into Guardians of the Galaxy. And this half-sister business feels really, really forced.
I haven't read it yet, so I'll keep an open mind, but... I don't have high hopes.
Personally, I'm enjoying Original Sin. I think I enjoy how the titles tie in (so far) even more. Everything (again so far) spins out of the end of Original Sin #2 and doesn't tie back into the main book.