So, I was at my LCS earlier today and one of my purchases was Trinity Of Sin #3. I was talking to the owner about the many DC titles getting axed and mentioned Trinity Of Sin and he said he wasn't in the least bit surprised it was getting cancelled, which mirrored Chris' own sentiments in the recent Comic Talk episode.
My wife and I actually really enjoyed the first two issues and are both big DeMatteis fans. Which leads me to ask, is there anybody else out there who enjoys this title as well and who also enjoyed DeMatteis' previous efforts with Trinity Of Sin: The Phantom Stranger?
I've only read the first issue so far and I thought is was well written. The problems with the book have nothing to do with the creative team:
It's not something that should have been a #1. It's very clearly an amalgamation of the previous Phantom Stranger series with the Pandora series and continues on where those two series cut off. Better would have been to have done a title change: Phantom Stranger (or Pandora) becomes Trinity of Sin featuring... Becomes Trinity of Sin.
At best it was a niche book to begin with and, IMO haven't gotten much in the way of support, standing pretty much on its own in the Nu52.
It's a Nu52 version and as such is perceived to be inherently inferior to that which came before.
For myself, I'll likely pick up the rest of the issues in the series just to see where it goes.
You raise a very good point in that this title should have been a continuation rather than a #1.
I do think, however, that in regards to the history of the characters involved, this title is in a position to fully embrace it's New 52 status since the characters have always had cloudy origins.
Seconded - Top 10 is a great series. If you can find the offshoot "SMAX" by Zander Cannon, pick it up as well...you'll need to read a bit of Top 10 first for it to make sense, but it's totally worth it.
So, I was at my LCS earlier today and one of my purchases was Trinity Of Sin #3. I was talking to the owner about the many DC titles getting axed and mentioned Trinity Of Sin and he said he wasn't in the least bit surprised it was getting cancelled, which mirrored Chris' own sentiments in the recent Comic Talk episode.
My wife and I actually really enjoyed the first two issues and are both big DeMatteis fans. Which leads me to ask, is there anybody else out there who enjoys this title as well and who also enjoyed DeMatteis' previous efforts with Trinity Of Sin: The Phantom Stranger?
No. I strongly disliked it, as I’ve recently mentioned elsewhere here. And DeMatteis is one of a small handful of writers that I generally find cringeworthy. So I’m not surprised the series was cancelled; I’m more surprised that it lasted as long as it did.
So, I was at my LCS earlier today and one of my purchases was Trinity Of Sin #3. I was talking to the owner about the many DC titles getting axed and mentioned Trinity Of Sin and he said he wasn't in the least bit surprised it was getting cancelled, which mirrored Chris' own sentiments in the recent Comic Talk episode.
My wife and I actually really enjoyed the first two issues and are both big DeMatteis fans. Which leads me to ask, is there anybody else out there who enjoys this title as well and who also enjoyed DeMatteis' previous efforts with Trinity Of Sin: The Phantom Stranger?
No. I strongly disliked it, as I’ve recently mentioned elsewhere here. And DeMatteis is one of a small handful of writers that I generally find cringeworthy. So I’m not surprised the series was cancelled; I’m more surprised that it lasted as long as it did.
Which is the exact opposite of what was being asked. Congrats on the ongoing stream of negativity. How about finding something that you enjoy and celebrating that rather than constantly popping in to express you distaste for things that other people may have enjoyed? I get that it's the interwebs and all and so is supposed to be a wretched hive of scum, villainy and negativity, but this place is like a sanctuary from that.
So, I was at my LCS earlier today and one of my purchases was Trinity Of Sin #3. I was talking to the owner about the many DC titles getting axed and mentioned Trinity Of Sin and he said he wasn't in the least bit surprised it was getting cancelled, which mirrored Chris' own sentiments in the recent Comic Talk episode.
My wife and I actually really enjoyed the first two issues and are both big DeMatteis fans. Which leads me to ask, is there anybody else out there who enjoys this title as well and who also enjoyed DeMatteis' previous efforts with Trinity Of Sin: The Phantom Stranger?
No. I strongly disliked it, as I’ve recently mentioned elsewhere here. And DeMatteis is one of a small handful of writers that I generally find cringeworthy. So I’m not surprised the series was cancelled; I’m more surprised that it lasted as long as it did.
Which is the exact opposite of what was being asked. Congrats on the ongoing stream of negativity. How about finding something that you enjoy and celebrating that rather than constantly popping in to express you distaste for things that other people may have enjoyed? I get that it's the interwebs and all and so is supposed to be a wretched hive of scum, villainy and negativity, but this place is like a sanctuary from that.
He may have went too far, but saying no to liking something is valid if someone asks if anyone likes a title.
I understand what you are getting at with celebrating good stuff and avoiding negativity but your post regarding his negativity was more negative to him than his post was negative regarding DeMatteis.
So, I was at my LCS earlier today and one of my purchases was Trinity Of Sin #3. I was talking to the owner about the many DC titles getting axed and mentioned Trinity Of Sin and he said he wasn't in the least bit surprised it was getting cancelled, which mirrored Chris' own sentiments in the recent Comic Talk episode.
My wife and I actually really enjoyed the first two issues and are both big DeMatteis fans. Which leads me to ask, is there anybody else out there who enjoys this title as well and who also enjoyed DeMatteis' previous efforts with Trinity Of Sin: The Phantom Stranger?
No. I strongly disliked it, as I’ve recently mentioned elsewhere here. And DeMatteis is one of a small handful of writers that I generally find cringeworthy. So I’m not surprised the series was cancelled; I’m more surprised that it lasted as long as it did.
Which is the exact opposite of what was being asked. Congrats on the ongoing stream of negativity. How about finding something that you enjoy and celebrating that rather than constantly popping in to express you distaste for things that other people may have enjoyed? I get that it's the interwebs and all and so is supposed to be a wretched hive of scum, villainy and negativity, but this place is like a sanctuary from that.
He may have went too far, but saying no to liking something is valid if someone asks if anyone likes a title.
I understand what you are getting at with celebrating good stuff and avoiding negativity but your post regarding his negativity was more negative to him than his post was negative regarding DeMatteis.
You're likely correct and I thought about it briefly before posting but realized that there's not much aside from ignoring or calling out serial Wheaties pee-ers (or a Serial cereal pee-er). Since ignoring doesn't provide any negative feedback, I went the other direction.
I will disagree that it was a valid response. It was a response that had already been given, on multiple threads on every DC title that any asks about that isn't still doing what was being done in the Bronze Age. The question was asking if anyone enjoyed it, particularly in light of its recent Pantsing and cancellation.
I'm pretty sure that everyone gets that Chuck hates all things DC and you could start a thread on what's great in DC right now that would get an absolutely nothing response.
So, I was at my LCS earlier today and one of my purchases was Trinity Of Sin #3. I was talking to the owner about the many DC titles getting axed and mentioned Trinity Of Sin and he said he wasn't in the least bit surprised it was getting cancelled, which mirrored Chris' own sentiments in the recent Comic Talk episode.
My wife and I actually really enjoyed the first two issues and are both big DeMatteis fans. Which leads me to ask, is there anybody else out there who enjoys this title as well and who also enjoyed DeMatteis' previous efforts with Trinity Of Sin: The Phantom Stranger?
No. I strongly disliked it, as I’ve recently mentioned elsewhere here. And DeMatteis is one of a small handful of writers that I generally find cringeworthy. So I’m not surprised the series was cancelled; I’m more surprised that it lasted as long as it did.
Which is the exact opposite of what was being asked. Congrats on the ongoing stream of negativity. How about finding something that you enjoy and celebrating that rather than constantly popping in to express you distaste for things that other people may have enjoyed? I get that it's the interwebs and all and so is supposed to be a wretched hive of scum, villainy and negativity, but this place is like a sanctuary from that.
He may have went too far, but saying no to liking something is valid if someone asks if anyone likes a title.
I understand what you are getting at with celebrating good stuff and avoiding negativity but your post regarding his negativity was more negative to him than his post was negative regarding DeMatteis.
Stewart has already been driven away. (He hasn't posted once since that last brouhaha over negativity.) Can we stop there, please?
By the way, if you look three posts up from the objectionable post, you'll see a very positive comment from Chuck. So much for that ongoing stream.
@hauberk I get the frustration with the negativity. And there are some people who consistently remind us what they don't like or want to make a point over and over about what they aren't reading, and that can be a drag when someone is actually asking to hear a different response for a change.
But I think it better to ignore that, and focus on what you do want to be talking about, then derail a thread by trying to call someone out on how you see their approach. That just leads to a discussion about the discussing. And it think that would be time better spent creating the conversation you do want to have. I think it does more to encourage and add by example, which may even pull some new people into the conversation, then to get distracted by trying to change people who are probably not going to change.
@hauberk I get the frustration with the negativity. And there are some people who consistently remind us what they don't like or want to make a point over and over about what they aren't reading, and that can be a drag when someone is actually asking to hear a different response for a change.
But I think it better to ignore that, and focus on what you do want to be talking about, then derail a thread by trying to call someone out on how you see their approach. That just leads to a discussion about the discussing. And it think that would be time better spent creating the conversation you do want to have. I think it does more to encourage and add by example, which may even pull some new people into the conversation, then to get distracted by trying to change people who are probably not going to change.
The mods have spoken. Poor form on my part.
For what it's worth, I did try that, I picked up and responded to the original comment with an affirmative and even a bit of armchair analysis on why the book has failed so quickly... less about the quality of the book or JM DeMatteis and more about the strategy of trying to take a book that is laden with the backstory from not one but two previous titles, one of which was for a completely new character.
Repeated negativity doesn't raise any flags with me as long as two criteria are met:
1) You back up that negativity with a reasoned argument. Repeatedly saying "It sucks" without pointing out why it does is annoying to EVERYone. Chuck, to my knowledge, almost always has a rational reason for not liking what he doesn't like, and will point it out. No foul there.
2) You're not making it personal. You not liking something is fine. You saying anyone who does like something is an uncultured idiot is not fine. Comics is a big sandbox and we're all allowed to like whatever we want to like in it. You may not understand it. You may not accept it. Doesn't matter. If you feel this second criteria is being violated, let me, David D. or Solitaire Rose know (if we haven't already stepped in).
Which isn't to say you can't argue about something - lord knows that's what we do around here - but argue about the issue, not the person.
Wait. I have to agree with Hauberk on this. The direct question was:
"Which leads me to ask, is there anybody else out there who enjoys this title as well and who also enjoyed DeMatteis' previous efforts with Trinity Of Sin: The Phantom Stranger?"
And the first response was:
"No."
Well thought out comment or not, that is absolutely NOT what the original poster asked. It wasn't a general "What did you think?". It was a specific question asking for those that DID enjoy it. Chuck doesn't get to speak for an entire board. Especially when the poster is asking for those that enjoyed the series.
Sorry - you have to call out that kind of behavior. It is absolutely the worst kind of "Simpsons Comic Book Guy" behavior.
I'm pretty sure that everyone gets that Chuck hates all things DC...
Not true. I've always been a DC fan. I'm just not strongly enamoured of the current New52, which I think was a mess practically from the start. (Even so, there have been a few that I thought were quite good, and I have said so.)
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I do think, however, that in regards to the history of the characters involved, this title is in a position to fully embrace it's New 52 status since the characters have always had cloudy origins.
I understand what you are getting at with celebrating good stuff and avoiding negativity but your post regarding his negativity was more negative to him than his post was negative regarding DeMatteis.
I will disagree that it was a valid response. It was a response that had already been given, on multiple threads on every DC title that any asks about that isn't still doing what was being done in the Bronze Age. The question was asking if anyone enjoyed it, particularly in light of its recent Pantsing and cancellation.
I'm pretty sure that everyone gets that Chuck hates all things DC and you could start a thread on what's great in DC right now that would get an absolutely nothing response.
By the way, if you look three posts up from the objectionable post, you'll see a very positive comment from Chuck. So much for that ongoing stream.
But I think it better to ignore that, and focus on what you do want to be talking about, then derail a thread by trying to call someone out on how you see their approach. That just leads to a discussion about the discussing. And it think that would be time better spent creating the conversation you do want to have. I think it does more to encourage and add by example, which may even pull some new people into the conversation, then to get distracted by trying to change people who are probably not going to change.
For what it's worth, I did try that, I picked up and responded to the original comment with an affirmative and even a bit of armchair analysis on why the book has failed so quickly... less about the quality of the book or JM DeMatteis and more about the strategy of trying to take a book that is laden with the backstory from not one but two previous titles, one of which was for a completely new character.
1) You back up that negativity with a reasoned argument. Repeatedly saying "It sucks" without pointing out why it does is annoying to EVERYone. Chuck, to my knowledge, almost always has a rational reason for not liking what he doesn't like, and will point it out. No foul there.
2) You're not making it personal. You not liking something is fine. You saying anyone who does like something is an uncultured idiot is not fine. Comics is a big sandbox and we're all allowed to like whatever we want to like in it. You may not understand it. You may not accept it. Doesn't matter. If you feel this second criteria is being violated, let me, David D. or Solitaire Rose know (if we haven't already stepped in).
Which isn't to say you can't argue about something - lord knows that's what we do around here - but argue about the issue, not the person.
"Which leads me to ask, is there anybody else out there who enjoys this title as well and who also enjoyed DeMatteis' previous efforts with Trinity Of Sin: The Phantom Stranger?"
And the first response was:
"No."
Well thought out comment or not, that is absolutely NOT what the original poster asked. It wasn't a general "What did you think?". It was a specific question asking for those that DID enjoy it. Chuck doesn't get to speak for an entire board. Especially when the poster is asking for those that enjoyed the series.
Sorry - you have to call out that kind of behavior. It is absolutely the worst kind of "Simpsons Comic Book Guy" behavior.
Thanks.