Logan (Spoilers) - Seen it? Discuss it here!
David_D
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A new thread to get into the spoilers. (With a tip of the hat to @Mr_Cosmic for the reminder).
Have at it! Hoping to see it in the next few days, too.
Have at it! Hoping to see it in the next few days, too.
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Logan is so good that it makes me more upset that Fox has churned out some really compromised X-Men movies in the past. They were not all bad of course Deadpool is great, and X-Men First Class hits the right notes for the most part. In lot of cases there is just a fundamental disconnect between who the X-Men and Fantastic Four are, and what is presented on the screen. I am glad to see they are getting out of the way and letting some of their movies be what they are should have always been.
Lastly you have to give it up for Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart who have played the same characters for 18 years, and you never feel like they are just there for a paycheck. They are always trying to do their best with what they are given.
Overall, the movie is intriguing. I loved the set-up of the near-future, very dark story and the way they kept the cast of characters relatively small. You have Logan, Xavier, Laura, and the bald guy and that's pretty much it for mutants.
Nitpicks and questions:
The North Dakota/Canadian border is very flat in the east and a litttle more "hilly" in the west. No mountain passes or forests..sorry.
How convenient that Logan and Xavier had a mutant tracker living with them for the bad guys to exploit.
They were able to find Eden from the coordinates..how? Especially as they got closer and X-23 was driving. I don't remember seeing a GPS and road maps wouldn't help.
All those kids got to Eden but no adults made it?
What exactly was Eden really(hunting camp? Forest ranger camp?) and how did it's location end up in a comic?
They hinted that Xavier had done something bad..what was it?
Here are my thoughts.
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Beautiful.
First X-Men script worthy of Patrick Stewart. (It's tough watching him play feeble and fragile--I'm glad I just saw the videos of him and his new rescue dog, and know he was just Acting!)
Logan Noir comes included as a bonus feature on the Logan Blu-ray coming out next week.
As I recall, Mad Max: Fury Road also released a b&w version.
“If Marvel and DC do not eventually deliver a final ending, then they are depriving the audience not only of one of the fundamental parts of a good story but also the most beautiful and most emotionally touching parts as well.”
But at the same time, strategically, I can see why they didn't try to have it compete as Best Original Screenplay. Because, even though Logan is not an adaptation of a single, particular story, for the people on the nominating committee for that category, it would be a hard sell for something that is seen as the last part in a long franchise, and featuring characters that have existed in decades of comics, as "original".
Rather, what they could compete on is what they with those existing characters, who the nominating committee might associate with very different kinds of stories and movies. Competing in adapted screenplay gives them the narrative of unexpected execution. A sort of 'We made THIS with THAT', if you know what I mean.
I don't know if what ends up in Original vs. Adapted are defined by clear rules, or if the producers submitting a work have leeway to make that call. It reminds me of what sometimes happens in the definitions of what is a lead role vs a supporting. Often a lot of campaign strategy comes into play as far as who or what to submit to what.
Apart from Heath Ledger winning for the Dark Knight most comic book films are given the technical nominations. The writers guild essentially looked at this as one of the ten best films of th3 year
And while I applaud them for actually having Logan die, a thing we never see in these franchise movies (and I would have liked to see in the third movie of the Nolan Batman trilogy), I found myself watching the funeral scene and thinking, "You're not really going to have her quote the whole speech from Shane, are you?"" and cringing. That idea feels like a bit of first draft largesse that should have been killed on the way to later drafts. But, nope, they shot that. Put it in. And, I would guess, sent a check to whoever wrote Shane. That just felt like something out of screenplay land.
Don't get me wrong-- I think it was still a strong movie. Worlds better than the other Wolverine movies. And I liked how different it was from some other superhero movies. But I don't think I loved it the way a lot of other people did.
(And I would not have nominated it for screenplay. But I think the acting was great.)