Someone will yell, “It's a trap!”, and then a big battle will ensue.
Thanks Eric. I now miss Admiral Ackbar after his off-screen death even more...
His death, even off-screen, doesn’t bother me really. He was pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. His role in the movies was to say the things a commander needed to say, and the movies gave him no depth of character beyond that. I like his design well enough, and all, but personally I don't need to see the deaths of every character who spouted off a handful of lines. I get why people who read all the books and watched Clone Wars, etc., are upset by it, though.
Meh. Ackbar is but a minor quibble. No need to refute everything I mention. For me it really is the sum of the parts. Other than some bits with Kylo and Rey, especially the throne room where they are on the same side momentarily, not much else resonated for me. I could continue to present items I see as problems in this movie and then you and any others that enjoyed the film could parry and refute anything/everything I bring up. No one will change the other's minds. I'm ready to move on.
I didn't leave the film caring what happens next in the saga. In that respect it doesn't hold a candle to the original trilogy. I suppose this film ends the overall story for me in an unsatisfying way. Han is dead, Luke is dead, and Leia is effectively dead.
Unfortunately, knowing it's Disney's cash-cow to milk forever doesn't make that any less depressing.
I was ready to move on after Return of the Jedi. The heroes’ journeys were completed then and there. Happily ever after, the end, and all that. Star Wars wasn’t built on a foundation designed to support a never-ending saga, and I'm not convinced its popularity will run as long and as deeply as Disney hopes it will. Nobody likes a war that drags on and on with no end in sight. ;)
Look at the scene and look at where he's looking. At Rey. While the gross stuff dribbles into his beard. While he kneels in front of this gross cow-thingy. Here's the guy you were looking for, Rey. Jedi Master. Hero of the Rebellion. Luke Skywalker. No wait.. **LUKE SKYWALKER**
Getting milk from a walrus-looking thing and not even allowing himself the dignity of wiping his mouth when it's in his beard.
That's what's become of your "hero". Now go home.
That's why we needed the scene.
Agreed. It is his version of Yoda cooking disgusting soup and being this tiny, wizened being when a certain someone was expecting a "great warrior".
(And a little callback to the idea that people from Tatooine drink funny colored milk with meals.)
Look at the scene and look at where he's looking. At Rey. While the gross stuff dribbles into his beard. While he kneels in front of this gross cow-thingy. Here's the guy you were looking for, Rey. Jedi Master. Hero of the Rebellion. Luke Skywalker. No wait.. **LUKE SKYWALKER**
Getting milk from a walrus-looking thing and not even allowing himself the dignity of wiping his mouth when it's in his beard.
That's what's become of your "hero". Now go home.
That's why we needed the scene.
Agreed. It is his version of Yoda cooking disgusting soup and being this tiny, wizened being when a certain someone was expecting a "great warrior".
(And a little callback to the idea that people from Tatooine drink funny colored milk with meals.)
Except the silly Yoda was a farce. Play-acting because he was testing Luke. If you view ESB again you will see that Yoda’s weird, clownish behavior (copied in TLJ) totally disappeared when Luke finally understood who Yoda was. He was regal, patient, and wise once again.
This characterization is based on Yoda pretending to be something he wasn’t in ESB. It makes no sense.
Look at the scene and look at where he's looking. At Rey. While the gross stuff dribbles into his beard. While he kneels in front of this gross cow-thingy. Here's the guy you were looking for, Rey. Jedi Master. Hero of the Rebellion. Luke Skywalker. No wait.. **LUKE SKYWALKER**
Getting milk from a walrus-looking thing and not even allowing himself the dignity of wiping his mouth when it's in his beard.
That's what's become of your "hero". Now go home.
That's why we needed the scene.
Agreed. It is his version of Yoda cooking disgusting soup and being this tiny, wizened being when a certain someone was expecting a "great warrior".
(And a little callback to the idea that people from Tatooine drink funny colored milk with meals.)
Except the silly Yoda was a farce. Play-acting because he was testing Luke. If you view ESB again you will see that Yoda’s weird, clownish behavior (copied in TLJ) totally disappeared when Luke finally understood who Yoda was. He was regal, patient, and wise once again.
This characterization is based on Yoda pretending to be something he wasn’t in ESB. It makes no sense.
And the milk drinking scene you keep bringing up was when he was making an effort to put off and drive away Rey. Maybe that was his typical morning routine, and maybe he was putting it on a bit thick so as to get the person who has come to seek 'The Legend' Luke Skywalker, the hope the galaxy needs will change her mind and go away.
He is much less rough around the edges once we get into "Three Lessons" and he is in teacher mode.
It’s a mess. If it worked for you and your kid - awesome, David.
More like subversively sh*tting on the saga to me, but I’m clearly in the minority. I clearly have nothing valuable to further add to this conversation.
I loved his appearance. Literally, how he looked. I don't remember much about what he said, and I know people are up in arms about his force lightning of the tree. And I've even heard people were upset at him not looking right. However, I thought he looked great. He looked like Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi Yoda. Something about all the recent CGI iterations of him (Ep. I-III) have been off-putting to me, but I've learned to just accept it. Yet here it looked as though it was puppet Yoda, and seeing him felt like seeing an old friend.
I loved his appearance. Literally, how he looked. I don't remember much about what he said, and I know people are up in arms about his force lightning of the tree. And I've even heard people were upset at him not looking right. However, I thought he looked great. He looked like Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi Yoda. Something about all the recent CGI iterations of him (Ep. I-III) have been off-putting to me, but I've learned to just accept it. Yet here it looked as though it was puppet Yoda, and seeing him felt like seeing an old friend.
I thought that was puppet Yoda after the original appearance. If not, helluva CGI job on him.
The weather was good so my son and I were able to get my dad out of the house to go see it. All three of us loved it and we're hoping to go see it again soon.
There were some things I didn't care for, but not enough to voice it.
Not thrilled to see members of the fandom resorting to name calling and bullying.
There were some things I didn't care for, but not enough to voice it.
It's not a perfect movie by any means, but it was fun. I get there are some things people aren't going to like, but I think much of the griping from fans is that they came in with 2 years of speculation and expectations after TFA and those weren't met or addressed and now they're butt hurt.
I've had a few days to think about it and I would have to rank the eight movies(not counting Rogue One) like this(worst to first):
8. The Phantom Menace 7. The Last Jedi 6. Attack of the Clones 5. Revenge of the Sith 4. Return of the Jedi 3. The Force Awakens 2. Star Wars (A New Hope) 1. The Empire Strikes Back
I've had a few days to think about it and I would have to rank the eight movies(not counting Rogue One) like this(worst to first):
8. The Phantom Menace 7. The Last Jedi 6. Attack of the Clones 5. Revenge of the Sith 4. Return of the Jedi 3. The Force Awakens 2. Star Wars (A New Hope) 1. The Empire Strikes Back
My biggest complaint was the treatment of the original cast but really luke especially. There were other nitpicks and the story issues can still be redeemed or addressed. Overall it was exciting and entertaining and was fun enough. But I do think it could’ve and should’ve been better and wish it had. I got the sensation the makers were more concerned with moments and being unpredictable than anything else. I can appreciate that to a point, but not when so much else (more important stuff imo) is sacrificed. Such as history. Characters. Fans. Etc. Seems like there were a number of missed opportunities as well that really would’ve worked well and been natural and satisfying to many fans. Such as using lando instead of maz and or including him in the casino planet plot. Or using akbar instead of the purple haired nobody etc. I left the theatre with the sensation that... nothing matters. Nothing that happened makes a difference. Nothing that came before mattered. There’ll just be new characters. New movies. New toys. Obviously I knew that already, but something about this movie seemed to really declare it.
Oh, and my vote for where it goes next... I’d personally think it would be cool, and I’d like to see a complete twist where Rey turns to darkness and Ben redeems himself actually becoming the hero of this new universe.
I enjoyed it quite a bit. I felt like it fit pretty well with the originals despite coming 30 years later. The Last Jedi was a nose dive back into prequal territory.
I haven’t seen Last Jedi. Haven’t even seen Force Awakens yet. But here’s what it sounds like to me: Luke is to the second episode of the new trilogy what Yoda was to the second episode of the original trilogy. Luke/Rey go off to a remote planet looking for the last great Jedi master, only to find a gross loner who is trying to escape the conflict and be at peace with his surroundings. Yoda/Luke initially do not wish to train this young upstart, but are eventually convinced to do so. But the training is cut short because Luke/Rey are impetuous and impatient, and they run off to help their friends rather than stay and complete their training. Then Yoda/Luke die peacefully in their home.
Do I have that about right?
Actually, you didn't really NAIL IT, but you were "ABOUT" right. Rey does leave but not exactly for the reasons Luke did and there's nobody to rescue in the 3rd part of the trilogy.
I enjoyed it quite a bit. I felt like it fit pretty well with the originals despite coming 30 years later. The Last Jedi was a nose dive back into prequal territory.
Hmm. It just occurred to me, I’ve only watched TFA once. And that was in the theatre 3 weeks after its release.
“I said to Rian, I said ‘Jedis don’t give up’,” Hamill explained in an interview currently making the rounds on YouTube. “I mean even if he had a problem, maybe take a year to try and regroup… but if he made a mistake he would try and right that wrong, so right there, we had a fundamental difference, but, it’s not my story anymore. It’s somebody else’s story, and Rian needed me to be a certain way to make the ending effective.”
“That’s the crux of my problem,” he continued. “Luke would never say that. I’m sorry. Well, in this version, see. I’m talking about the George Lucas Star Wars. This is the next generation of Star Wars, so I almost had to think of Luke as another character. Maybe he’s ‘Jake’ Skywalker, he’s not my Luke Skywalker.”
I haven’t seen Last Jedi. Haven’t even seen Force Awakens yet. But here’s what it sounds like to me: Luke is to the second episode of the new trilogy what Yoda was to the second episode of the original trilogy. Luke/Rey go off to a remote planet looking for the last great Jedi master, only to find a gross loner who is trying to escape the conflict and be at peace with his surroundings. Yoda/Luke initially do not wish to train this young upstart, but are eventually convinced to do so. But the training is cut short because Luke/Rey are impetuous and impatient, and they run off to help their friends rather than stay and complete their training. Then Yoda/Luke die peacefully in their home.
Do I have that about right?
Actually, you didn't really NAIL IT, but you were "ABOUT" right. Rey does leave but not exactly for the reasons Luke did and there's nobody to rescue in the 3rd part of the trilogy.
Hey, you have to add a few wrinkles. :smiley: "Okay, the First Order finds the Resistance's home base and forces them to flee for their lives just like Hoth, only this time they're able to track them down. Surprise!"
I don't need deja vu with a twist. Give me a pre-SW Han, Chewie, and Lando in a Smokey and the Bandit type of flick, and I'll show up for that.
I don't need deja vu with a twist. Give me a pre-SW Han, Chewie, and Lando in a Smokey and the Bandit type of flick, and I'll show up for that.
Only if Darth Vader chases them muttering "You sumbitch" while eating a diablo sandwich with a Dr. Pepper.
I figure it'll be Boba Fett some random Star Destroyer captain, not Vader. And at some point the drink will end up covering his visor and he'll have to scrape it off. [Edit: Vader only shows up at the end to Force choke the captain for being shown up by a pair of scruffy smugglers. That'll get a big laugh.]
“I said to Rian, I said ‘Jedis don’t give up’,” Hamill explained in an interview currently making the rounds on YouTube. “I mean even if he had a problem, maybe take a year to try and regroup… but if he made a mistake he would try and right that wrong, so right there, we had a fundamental difference, but, it’s not my story anymore. It’s somebody else’s story, and Rian needed me to be a certain way to make the ending effective.”
“That’s the crux of my problem,” he continued. “Luke would never say that. I’m sorry. Well, in this version, see. I’m talking about the George Lucas Star Wars. This is the next generation of Star Wars, so I almost had to think of Luke as another character. Maybe he’s ‘Jake’ Skywalker, he’s not my Luke Skywalker.”
“I said to Rian, I said ‘Jedis don’t give up’,” Hamill explained in an interview currently making the rounds on YouTube. “I mean even if he had a problem, maybe take a year to try and regroup… but if he made a mistake he would try and right that wrong, so right there, we had a fundamental difference, but, it’s not my story anymore. It’s somebody else’s story, and Rian needed me to be a certain way to make the ending effective.”
“That’s the crux of my problem,” he continued. “Luke would never say that. I’m sorry. Well, in this version, see. I’m talking about the George Lucas Star Wars. This is the next generation of Star Wars, so I almost had to think of Luke as another character. Maybe he’s ‘Jake’ Skywalker, he’s not my Luke Skywalker.”
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I didn't leave the film caring what happens next in the saga. In that respect it doesn't hold a candle to the original trilogy. I suppose this film ends the overall story for me in an unsatisfying way. Han is dead, Luke is dead, and Leia is effectively dead.
Unfortunately, knowing it's Disney's cash-cow to milk forever doesn't make that any less depressing.
(And a little callback to the idea that people from Tatooine drink funny colored milk with meals.)
This characterization is based on Yoda pretending to be something he wasn’t in ESB. It makes no sense.
He is much less rough around the edges once we get into "Three Lessons" and he is in teacher mode.
So, the same.
More like subversively sh*tting on the saga to me, but I’m clearly in the minority. I clearly have nothing valuable to further add to this conversation.
I loved his appearance. Literally, how he looked. I don't remember much about what he said, and I know people are up in arms about his force lightning of the tree. And I've even heard people were upset at him not looking right. However, I thought he looked great. He looked like Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi Yoda. Something about all the recent CGI iterations of him (Ep. I-III) have been off-putting to me, but I've learned to just accept it. Yet here it looked as though it was puppet Yoda, and seeing him felt like seeing an old friend.
There were some things I didn't care for, but not enough to voice it.
Not thrilled to see members of the fandom resorting to name calling and bullying.
8. The Phantom Menace
7. The Last Jedi
6. Attack of the Clones
5. Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi
3. The Force Awakens
2. Star Wars (A New Hope)
1. The Empire Strikes Back
I got the sensation the makers were more concerned with moments and being unpredictable than anything else. I can appreciate that to a point, but not when so much else (more important stuff imo) is sacrificed. Such as history. Characters. Fans. Etc. Seems like there were a number of missed opportunities as well that really would’ve worked well and been natural and satisfying to many fans. Such as using lando instead of maz and or including him in the casino planet plot. Or using akbar instead of the purple haired nobody etc.
I left the theatre with the sensation that... nothing matters. Nothing that happened makes a difference. Nothing that came before mattered. There’ll just be new characters. New movies. New toys. Obviously I knew that already, but something about this movie seemed to really declare it.
After The Last Jedi I just don't care. It didn't end with anything to look forward to.
https://www.cbr.com/last-jedi-mark-hamill-reaction/
I don't need deja vu with a twist. Give me a pre-SW Han, Chewie, and Lando in a Smokey and the Bandit type of flick, and I'll show up for that.
Boba Fettsome random Star Destroyer captain, not Vader. And at some point the drink will end up covering his visor and he'll have to scrape it off. [Edit: Vader only shows up at the end to Force choke the captain for being shown up by a pair of scruffy smugglers. That'll get a big laugh.]"He's not my my Luke Skywalker" says Mark Hamill during press interviews.
Some more context: