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Movie News: Man of Steel

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  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    JaxUr said:
    I love reading posts commenting on these things. My favorite post is the 1 about waiting until the movie comes out before sequel talks...followed by the movie being a dud.

    First, what comic book movie isn't signed for sequels? Second, looks like this guy sees this movie failing. I do wish people like this would post WHY they feel that way.

    M
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    Reading some of the reviews already, I can see the biggest obstacle this movie has will be people grasping the realism of the theme & the burden of being a superpowered, humanoid alien on Earth.

    M
  • DoctorDoomDoctorDoom Posts: 2,586
    http://www.metacritic.com/movie/man-of-steel/critic-reviews

    So either positive or mixed. I don't usually pay attention to critics, but this is better than how I thought it would turn out.
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    Free ticket for 7:00 tonight. (Thanks, Anonymous Tangled Web Customer!) Guess I'll go.
  • PlaneisPlaneis Posts: 980
    People over on the reddit machine are panicking about the somewhat shall we say.... mixed reviews.
  • luckymustardluckymustard Posts: 927
    My friend, one of the two that I will be seeing it with, is getting really worried because of the now mixed reviews. Lowering expectations can be a good thing.
  • kiwijasekiwijase Posts: 451
    The general tone I 'm drawing from the reviews is that the film is big and brassy but lacks humour.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457

    My friend, one of the two that I will be seeing it with, is getting really worried because of the now mixed reviews. Lowering expectations can be a good thing.

    Who listens to critics reviews? How many movies have they liked that bombed or reversed?

    M
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    kiwijase said:

    The general tone I 'm drawing from the reviews is that the film is big and brassy but lacks humour.

    A movie about an outcast trying to find his place in the world? I don't see where there would be humor in that.

    M

  • PlaneisPlaneis Posts: 980
    Matt said:

    My friend, one of the two that I will be seeing it with, is getting really worried because of the now mixed reviews. Lowering expectations can be a good thing.

    Who listens to critics reviews? How many movies have they liked that bombed or reversed?

    M
    Well, I guess "listening" to them is something that I do. I don't let reviews determine my personal feelings... but it is a sign. What I mean is this, District 9 has I think a 90+% rating on RT. I watched it for the first time the other day and ... borderline hated it.

    So, any review Man of Steel gets isn't going to influence me, but the fact that it is settling in the 50's on RT is not a "good" sign.
    Matt said:

    kiwijase said:

    The general tone I 'm drawing from the reviews is that the film is big and brassy but lacks humour.

    A movie about an outcast trying to find his place in the world? I don't see where there would be humor in that.

    M

    Well, I don't think anyone would suggest that Man of Steel, or any super hero movie aimed at adults, should be laugh out loud, laugh a minute funny. But I think in a Superman movie, or other people of his ilk (like Spiderman), you could easily expect a few light hearted moments to color the movie.

    I think a big, big part of this is a) superhero fatigue on critics part and b) Snyder hate. Critics do NOT like his movies. They don't like the subjects, they don't like his style, they don't like him. 300, which I LOVE, is at 60% on RT. Watchmen, which I also enjoy quite a lot, is at 64%. Even Sucker Punch, which I know most people do not like, I enjoyed. I know, its a weird freaking movie, but I dug it. It took chances. But anyway, that movie is 23% on RT. Critics do not like him.

    Audience score in many cases is a better indicator because its people who are choosing to see it because they want to and are more likely to dig the subject, not a critic who essentially has to see it and may be prejudiced against it.

    That being said, I think there's a lot of anxiety about this movie amongst the fans because many feel like if it doesn't do really well than a) no Justice League and maybe no other DC movies for along time and b) no more Superman and we have to do this whole deal again. At this point, its financial success seems pretty certain. But I think people have a lot of fears about this.
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    Wow.

    I didn't expect to like the film.

    I also didn't expect to HATE it.

    That was not Superman.

    Or if it *is* Superman, as Warners is now defining him, I am out.

    The uncrossable line has been crossed.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    edited June 2013
    WetRats said:

    Wow.

    I didn't expect to like the film.

    I also didn't expect to HATE it.

    That was not Superman.

    Or if it *is* Superman, as Warners is now defining him, I am out.

    The uncrossable line has been crossed.

    To be honest, I haven't seen it yet, but I've read the plot in Wikipedia. Aside from a few scenes (1 being the climax of the battle with Zod) & the predictable final scene, I don't see what people are complaining about. Maybe it translates differently when watched rather then read, but it seems like a very interesting story.

    I did hear a big complaint involved the tweaking of the origin. I'm presuming if you're not that current with the various tweaks done in comics over the years, you probably won't notice. Luckily, I fall into that category.

    And wasn't the uncrossable line already crossed in the Superman movies?

    M
  • PlaneisPlaneis Posts: 980
    Matt said:

    WetRats said:

    Wow.

    I didn't expect to like the film.

    I also didn't expect to HATE it.

    That was not Superman.

    Or if it *is* Superman, as Warners is now defining him, I am out.

    The uncrossable line has been crossed.

    To be honest, I haven't seen it yet, but I've read the plot in Wikipedia. Aside from a few scenes (1 being the climax of the battle with Zod) & the predictable final scene, I don't see what people are complaining about. Maybe it translates differently when watched rather then read, but it seems like a very interesting story.

    I did hear a big complaint involved the tweaking of the origin. I'm presuming if you're not that current with the various tweaks done in comics over the years, you probably won't notice. Luckily, I fall into that category.

    And wasn't the uncrossable line already crossed in the Superman movies?

    M
    Based on some of the reviews... something tells me the Fun-O-Meter has been turned way way down. Consider this, as big as the problems were narratively in Iron Man 2.... it was pretty well received. I think that *might* be because, despite its problems, it worked in some fun and had good actors (Sam Jackson and RDJ and WhatsHisNose, the villain) working in little fun character beats.
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    Matt said:

    And wasn't the uncrossable line already crossed in the Superman movies?

    Not that I can recall.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    WetRats said:

    Matt said:

    And wasn't the uncrossable line already crossed in the Superman movies?

    Not that I can recall.
    What happened to the terrible trio once the old "switcheroo" was revealed?

    M

  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    Matt said:

    WetRats said:

    Matt said:

    And wasn't the uncrossable line already crossed in the Superman movies?

    Not that I can recall.
    What happened to the terrible trio once the old "switcheroo" was revealed?

    M
    I have no idea.
  • luckymustardluckymustard Posts: 927
    Matt said:

    WetRats said:

    Matt said:

    And wasn't the uncrossable line already crossed in the Superman movies?

    Not that I can recall.
    What happened to the terrible trio once the old "switcheroo" was revealed?

    M

    They died. Superman, like Batman, has the line he can't cross of not killing anyone. Yet Batman has historically also had a no gun policy (except in the very first few issues in 1938-9), yet he used a gun to try to kill Joker in 1989 Batman movie.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    edited June 2013
    See my response in the spoiler thread.
    M
  • batlawbatlaw Posts: 879
    They didnt actually show the fate of the trio in Superman II.
    Matt said:

    WetRats said:

    Matt said:

    And wasn't the uncrossable line already crossed in the Superman movies?

    Not that I can recall.
    What happened to the terrible trio once the old "switcheroo" was revealed?

    M

    Their fate wasnt shown. Only implied or left to viewers imagination. all we were shown was they lost their powers and fell into snow/ice caverns. In the Donner cut they are shown alive and being atken into custody by police.
    Didnt Superman actually kill them in the comics at one point? and that plagued him for a while?
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    batlaw said:

    They didnt actually show the fate of the trio in Superman II.

    Matt said:

    WetRats said:

    Matt said:

    And wasn't the uncrossable line already crossed in the Superman movies?

    Not that I can recall.
    What happened to the terrible trio once the old "switcheroo" was revealed?

    M

    Their fate wasnt shown. Only implied or left to viewers imagination. all we were shown was they lost their powers and fell into snow/ice caverns. In the Donner cut they are shown alive and being atken into custody by police.
    Didnt Superman actually kill them in the comics at one point? and that plagued him for a while?
    If they were lucky, they would've hit water & froze (possible drown if no one swims on Krypton). I'm not using the Donner cut because it wasn't the theatric release & seem by more people...though I prefer the Donner cut.

    I'm certain Superman killed Kryptonian criminals & exiled himself from Earth.

    M
  • Chuck_MelvilleChuck_Melville Posts: 3,003
    batlaw said:

    They didnt actually show the fate of the trio in Superman II.

    Matt said:

    WetRats said:

    Matt said:

    And wasn't the uncrossable line already crossed in the Superman movies?

    Not that I can recall.
    What happened to the terrible trio once the old "switcheroo" was revealed?

    M

    Their fate wasnt shown. Only implied or left to viewers imagination. all we were shown was they lost their powers and fell into snow/ice caverns. In the Donner cut they are shown alive and being atken into custody by police.
    Didnt Superman actually kill them in the comics at one point? and that plagued him for a while?
    A different Kryptonian trio altogether -- the originals, you might say, who inspired the ones used in the movies. The only common denominator was Zod, who was originally a nondescript dictator used only as a visual stereotype. The other two were Jax-Ur, a mad scientist stereotype, and Faora, a man-hating serial killer. (Their roles in the movie were taken by Nod and Ursa.)
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457

    batlaw said:

    They didnt actually show the fate of the trio in Superman II.

    Matt said:

    WetRats said:

    Matt said:

    And wasn't the uncrossable line already crossed in the Superman movies?

    Not that I can recall.
    What happened to the terrible trio once the old "switcheroo" was revealed?

    M

    Their fate wasnt shown. Only implied or left to viewers imagination. all we were shown was they lost their powers and fell into snow/ice caverns. In the Donner cut they are shown alive and being atken into custody by police.
    Didnt Superman actually kill them in the comics at one point? and that plagued him for a while?
    A different Kryptonian trio altogether -- the originals, you might say, who inspired the ones used in the movies. The only common denominator was Zod, who was originally a nondescript dictator used only as a visual stereotype. The other two were Jax-Ur, a mad scientist stereotype, and Faora, a man-hating serial killer. (Their roles in the movie were taken by Nod and Ursa.)
    BUT back for Man of Steel!

    M
  • PlaneisPlaneis Posts: 980
    Wasn't there a version of the trio used after the Crisis on Infinite Earths, Man of Steel reboot where Superman killed them with kryptonite?

    Also, whether they showed it in the movie or not... Supes killed them in Superman II. Its a family film so maybe they didn't want to be that explicit, but they are dead.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    Planeis said:

    Wasn't there a version of the trio used after the Crisis on Infinite Earths, Man of Steel reboot where Superman killed them with kryptonite?

    Also, whether they showed it in the movie or not... Supes killed them in Superman II. Its a family film so maybe they didn't want to be that explicit, but they are dead.

    Yes, it lead to the 'Exiled' storyline. I think he depowered them, THEN they died.

    Hop over to the spoiler thread for the Superman II discussion.

    M
  • luckymustardluckymustard Posts: 927
    Matt said:

    Hop over to the spoiler thread for the Superman II discussion.

    I'll be there in less than 12 hours from now. :)
  • Chuck_MelvilleChuck_Melville Posts: 3,003
    Matt said:

    batlaw said:

    They didnt actually show the fate of the trio in Superman II.

    Matt said:

    WetRats said:

    Matt said:

    And wasn't the uncrossable line already crossed in the Superman movies?

    Not that I can recall.
    What happened to the terrible trio once the old "switcheroo" was revealed?

    M

    Their fate wasnt shown. Only implied or left to viewers imagination. all we were shown was they lost their powers and fell into snow/ice caverns. In the Donner cut they are shown alive and being atken into custody by police.
    Didnt Superman actually kill them in the comics at one point? and that plagued him for a while?
    A different Kryptonian trio altogether -- the originals, you might say, who inspired the ones used in the movies. The only common denominator was Zod, who was originally a nondescript dictator used only as a visual stereotype. The other two were Jax-Ur, a mad scientist stereotype, and Faora, a man-hating serial killer. (Their roles in the movie were taken by Nod and Ursa.)
    BUT back for Man of Steel!

    M
    Yes they were. And Dev-Em, too.
  • DARDAR Posts: 1,128
    Box office was 46 million last night. And it's projected to make 120 million plus there was 12 million from a Walmart sneak for 132 million since Thursday night. And now the DC movie verse can begin.

    http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    DAR said:

    Box office was 46 million last night. And it's projected to make 120 million plus there was 12 million from a Walmart sneak for 132 million since Thursday night. And now the DC movie verse can begin.

    http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/

    As much as I like DC movies being less a comic book movie (leaving that to Marvel) and more a reality based (as you can get with meta humans & aliens), I'm not 100% certain the DC movie verse is guaranteed now.

    The 1st weekend can kick ass, but it could drop off quickly. I enjoyed the movie & would see it multiple times, but that does mean all the people I tell about it would. Didn't Superman Returns open big to just to drop off quick?

    M
  • JaxUrJaxUr Posts: 547
    I believe Superman Returns was the 6th highest grossing film of 2006. It did respectable boxoffice but I guess "not enough" to launch a franchise. As for steep drops at the cinema, that seems to be more common as movies don't span entire summmers any longer like they did in the 1980s. Try to find Iron Man 3 now.
  • Chuck_MelvilleChuck_Melville Posts: 3,003
    JaxUr said:

    I believe Superman Returns was the 6th highest grossing film of 2006. It did respectable boxoffice but I guess "not enough" to launch a franchise. As for steep drops at the cinema, that seems to be more common as movies don't span entire summmers any longer like they did in the 1980s. Try to find Iron Man 3 now.

    ?

    Iron Man 3 is still in the theaters and still doing pretty well, if to reduced sales because of the newer releases emerging.
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