I feel at this point, we're discussing the same stuff from the early portion of this thread. I had forgotten @David_D mentioned Transformers previously.
Have we officially come full circle (a la top button discussion) on this topic?
I feel at this point, we're discussing the same stuff from the early portion of this thread. I had forgotten @David_D mentioned Transformers previously.
Have we officially come full circle (a la top button discussion) on this topic?
M
You know what's even crazier? It wasn't even this thread! I think this one is now caught in the gravitational pull of The Super Duper Man of Steel Spoiler Discussion one.
Apologies. I only just managed to see MoS over break and have yet to get through all of the two threads.
No worries. These 2 threads will take an afternoon to read through!
I feel at this point, we're discussing the same stuff from the early portion of this thread. I had forgotten @David_D mentioned Transformers previously.
Have we officially come full circle (a la top button discussion) on this topic?
I feel at this point, we're discussing the same stuff from the early portion of this thread. I had forgotten @David_D mentioned Transformers previously.
Have we officially come full circle (a la top button discussion) on this topic?
M
You know what's even crazier? It wasn't even this thread! I think this one is now caught in the gravitational pull of The Super Duper Man of Steel Spoiler Discussion one.
Apologies. I only just managed to see MoS over break and have yet to get through all of the two threads.
There's nothing to be sorry for. Both conversations are a lot of the same thing (and, often, over and over again ;) ) I don't think I wish the homework of reading through both at this point on anyone!
I mostly loved it, and this is my favorite live-action Superman.
What I didn't like? The destruction Superman wantonly adds to.
This isn't helped by the fact that I recently reread the Death of Superman, and throughout, Superman keeps trying to get Doomsday away from innocent bystanders.
(That's not to say I didn't enjoy the fights themselves. I loved the action in the movie. Just not the carelessness of the hero)
I mostly loved it, and this is my favorite live-action Superman.
What I didn't like? The destruction Superman wantonly adds to.
This isn't helped by the fact that I recently reread the Death of Superman, and throughout, Superman keeps trying to get Doomsday away from innocent bystanders.
(That's not to say I didn't enjoy the fights themselves. I loved the action in the movie. Just not the carelessness of the hero)
Doomsday was one attacker with little or no conscious thought. Man of Steel featured multiple trained Kryptonians (under the leadership of a leader with extensive tactical experience) in multiple locations and the massive engine of destruction sited at a location not of his choosing. There's only so much that one man can do to draw them all away from innocent bystanders.
I mostly loved it, and this is my favorite live-action Superman.
What I didn't like? The destruction Superman wantonly adds to.
This isn't helped by the fact that I recently reread the Death of Superman, and throughout, Superman keeps trying to get Doomsday away from innocent bystanders.
(That's not to say I didn't enjoy the fights themselves. I loved the action in the movie. Just not the carelessness of the hero)
Doomsday was one attacker with little or no conscious thought. Man of Steel featured multiple trained Kryptonians (under the leadership of a leader with extensive tactical experience) in multiple locations and the massive engine of destruction sited at a location not of his choosing. There's only so much that one man can do to draw them all away from innocent bystanders.
I'm referring to Superman punching Zod into a neighborhood ("Don't touch my mother!"), shrugging aside a truck into a building, etc. The little things like that.
I mostly loved it, and this is my favorite live-action Superman.
What I didn't like? The destruction Superman wantonly adds to.
This isn't helped by the fact that I recently reread the Death of Superman, and throughout, Superman keeps trying to get Doomsday away from innocent bystanders.
(That's not to say I didn't enjoy the fights themselves. I loved the action in the movie. Just not the carelessness of the hero)
Doomsday was one attacker with little or no conscious thought. Man of Steel featured multiple trained Kryptonians (under the leadership of a leader with extensive tactical experience) in multiple locations and the massive engine of destruction sited at a location not of his choosing. There's only so much that one man can do to draw them all away from innocent bystanders.
I'm referring to Superman punching Zod into a neighborhood ("Don't touch my mother!"), shrugging aside a truck into a building, etc. The little things like that.
Gotcha. Given the cataclysmic nature of some of the othe destruction, I guess I was numb to that.
I mostly loved it, and this is my favorite live-action Superman.
What I didn't like? The destruction Superman wantonly adds to.
This isn't helped by the fact that I recently reread the Death of Superman, and throughout, Superman keeps trying to get Doomsday away from innocent bystanders.
(That's not to say I didn't enjoy the fights themselves. I loved the action in the movie. Just not the carelessness of the hero)
Doomsday was one attacker with little or no conscious thought. Man of Steel featured multiple trained Kryptonians (under the leadership of a leader with extensive tactical experience) in multiple locations and the massive engine of destruction sited at a location not of his choosing. There's only so much that one man can do to draw them all away from innocent bystanders.
I'm referring to Superman punching Zod into a neighborhood ("Don't touch my mother!"), shrugging aside a truck into a building, etc. The little things like that.
But that's the first fighting he's done and it's his mother.
Allposters.com, is running a sale on this poster. They call it Hope. Nice image. However, a stern MoS with things blowing up all around him doesn't quite say "hope" to me, but to each his own.
Allposters.com, is running a sale on this poster. They call it Hope. Nice image. However, a stern MoS with things blowing up all around him doesn't quite say "hope" to me, but to each his own.
Hahaha that's fugging priceless. Cause yeah, the one thing this man of steel offers, displays and represents is definitely "hope".
How about "I hope he doesn't punch Zod into my house"?
How about "I hope he leaves the planet ASAP!"
That's what I have been talking about. The whole "you saved a woman falling out of a damaged helicopter, now we love & accept you" BS was too ridiculous. THIS Superman needs to strive past our skeptisms for acceptance.
Saw it in theaters, just watched it again with my wife (first time for her) on Blu Ray. Had a couple thoughts.
1) Color palette appeared much nicer on my TV and on the BluRay than I remember it being in the theater. The blue is bluer, the Red is red and the yellow stands out more (I could barely see the red in the theater). Also noticed that Jor-El is also wearing the same blue tunic (obviously not the red and yellow). In the theater it all looked black to me. The Colors on superman really dissipeared when they put shadows on him, which they did a lot, even at times where that would seem to be impossible, like when they are standing out in the desert in broad daylight with no buildings around. Anyway, bottom line, like the colors much more on Superman and in general throughout the whole movie
2) LOVE the music. Liked it after I saw the movie and have listened to the soundtrack many times since then. Liked it even more now.
3) Lois's line of "if we're done measuring DICKS here" or however she says it is still VERY grating and out of place. Wife said something right away, as soon as Lois said it she looked at me and said "uh wow, what the..."
4) Much less bothered by the destruction, wasn't bothered much by it before, but was a little.
5) Not bothered by Zod dying even a little. Wife looked at me after that and said "oooh I bet the fans were annoyed by that." She said she didn't have a problem with it.
My wife is not a "comic fan" but she does enjoy some of the movies quite a bit (X-Men, Iron Man, Captain America). She is definitly not a superman fan, which is why I saw it in theaters without her. Showed her Superman: The Movie a long time ago, she didn't like it. Doesn't care for Superman and thought the movie was very cheesy (which, it kinda is and I understood). We saw Superman Returns in theaters, she hated it and so did I.
She said she liked it, likes Henry C. as Superman and that this is definitely her favorite Superman movie.
I like Thor, the movie Thor anyway. Only done the comics a little.
But Thor spent at least half or 2/3 of his first movie being a borderline asshole. A FUN asshole, the kind of beer drinking bro who might be popular at parties, but in terms of his overall quality of character for a good portion of the movie, he's a total asshole. He tries to start a war. His own father calls him petulant and cruel. Thor turns around and calls his dad old and foolish.
Now look, Thor grows in his movie and kinda turns his life around. In part 2 I'd say he's a real hero. But, in the context of the movie, hasn't he also been alive for like.... a loooooong time? At least in terms of human years? And yet for a large portion of his life he was a party animal asshole who took pleasure in blowing stuff up and killing people. Hell he still takes pleasure in blowing stuff up and killing people that need killing. He even laughs about it.
Man of Steel spent his entire childhood hiding and pouting. Then spent his early adulthood hiding and pouting. Now after the events of his first movie he has to... or should be, hiding and pouting.
Man of Steel spent his entire childhood hiding and pouting. Then spent his early adulthood hiding and pouting. Now after the events of his first movie he has to... or should be, hiding and pouting.
Pouting...or lost? I'm guessing you've always known who you are, where you've come from, & how you fit into the world. Never an outcast. That's probably a good feeling.
If you look at the movie in the whole context rather then focus on what you dislike, its easy to see what the creators were trying to do. That doesn't mean you have to like it.
Kent wasn't pouting, raised to let people die, or whatever else those who dislike the movie what to hang their hats on.
I just don't know how to look at movies. Im envious of all those more enlightened and intelligent than me who are capable of seeing the obvious brilliance in things that I'm oblivious too. It must be a good feeling.
I have my ideas on exactly what the filmmakers were trying to do. No I don't have to like it... and I don't. Knowing what they intended or tried to say doesnt equal good. And choosing to only look at the things I do like about the movie doesn't make it a good movie either or a good interpretation of the character.
In celebration of this very vivid thread I'm going to re-watch Man of Steel tonite. Now, after all the praise.... the experience just has to be different ;;)
my "verdict" : movie's serviceable. I was entertained like I've been entertained by other Snyder projects. It's not deep stuff. Mostly eye candy. Great score by Zimmer.
Look man, I'm not trying to make you out to have comprehension issues any more then I think you were saying I spent years "pouting" as I tried to find my place in the world & not feel like an outcast. I know I've seemed to take this movie onto my back to defend it. Truthfully, some of the over exaggerated complaints are things I've gone through or utilized. Perhaps it gives me a more personal insight into this version that other versions lacked (and no, being a father is not one of the insights.)
The movie has tons of faults. It would've been great to see a focus on farm boy Kent. Its one of those great aspects of the character I enjoyed In Lois & Clark, Smallville, Kingdom Come, to name a few. They dropped the ball by not touching upon it.
The 20 minutes of disaster porn really was a mistake for the movie. I've previously mentioned aspects of the movie I didn't care for. As a whole, I thought approaching the mythos from a First Contact point of view was great. It was clearly conveyed.
I know it doesn't have the "ah shucks" of yesteryear, but that's not our society either.
I just find the use of "pouting" to be an over exaggeration of what the scenes were actually about.
It's not rocket science to be objective. I see the novelty of Duck Dynasty, Borat, & what Webb is trying to do with the Amazing Spider-man series. All three things I find immensely uninteresting because they aren't in my tastes.
LeBron James & Sydney Crosby are both elite in their respective sports. I can visibly see the talent...but that doesn't mean I won't call "overrated", "douchebags", & "jerkoffs."
This has been a very enlightening thread for me. I've tea bagged the 60s version of Batman for years. I've proclaimed "its not Batman."
I've come to realize (being on the other side with this thread), it's not really for me to say what is the correct version & what isn't. My statement should read "its not Batman that I'm interested in reading."
The Miller version, Morrison version, & 60s version are ALL Batman. I don't have to agree with the particular takes, but I shouldn't consider myself THE authority on the character. All versions have gained readers & were signs of their times.
I've been saying that (basically) about Man of Steel. It's a reflection of its time. We don't HAVE to like that reflection, but its a reality.
Thanks guys for making me have a better understanding of my tunnel vision.
I don't agree with all of it, but it raises some interesting points.
We discussed this above. One of the main issues I have with the article is that its comparing an origin movie with another character's sequel. At least compare Thor's origin movie with Man of Steel.
Not sure if anyone else saw this. I just saw it for the first time watching some of the behind the scenes stuff for Man of Steel. Pretty cool story. Henry was an extra in one scene of the movie Proof of Life and asked Russell about acting. Russell ended up sending him a little care package a few days later with some words of encouragement.
This has been a very enlightening thread for me. I've tea bagged the 60s version of Batman for years. I've proclaimed "its not Batman."
I've come to realize (being on the other side with this thread), it's not really for me to say what is the correct version & what isn't. My statement should read "its not Batman that I'm interested in reading."
The Miller version, Morrison version, & 60s version are ALL Batman. I don't have to agree with the particular takes, but I shouldn't consider myself THE authority on the character. All versions have gained readers & were signs of their times.
I've been saying that (basically) about Man of Steel. It's a reflection of its time. We don't HAVE to like that reflection, but its a reality.
Thanks guys for making me have a better understanding of my tunnel vision.
M
Bravo!
You've talked me down from my complete high-horsiness about MoS in this thread.
I still hate it, but I no longer think one would have to be insane to like it.
Max Landis interview about his Digital Superman story. I'd buy this just for giggles on the strength of The Life and Death of Superman short video. i know this is Comic supes rather than Movie Supes but i'm leaving it here anyway.
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I mostly loved it, and this is my favorite live-action Superman.
What I didn't like? The destruction Superman wantonly adds to.
This isn't helped by the fact that I recently reread the Death of Superman, and throughout, Superman keeps trying to get Doomsday away from innocent bystanders.
(That's not to say I didn't enjoy the fights themselves. I loved the action in the movie. Just not the carelessness of the hero)
Allposters.com, is running a sale on this poster. They call it Hope.
Nice image. However, a stern MoS with things blowing up all around him doesn't quite say "hope" to me, but to each his own.
M
;)
1) Color palette appeared much nicer on my TV and on the BluRay than I remember it being in the theater. The blue is bluer, the Red is red and the yellow stands out more (I could barely see the red in the theater). Also noticed that Jor-El is also wearing the same blue tunic (obviously not the red and yellow). In the theater it all looked black to me. The Colors on superman really dissipeared when they put shadows on him, which they did a lot, even at times where that would seem to be impossible, like when they are standing out in the desert in broad daylight with no buildings around. Anyway, bottom line, like the colors much more on Superman and in general throughout the whole movie
2) LOVE the music. Liked it after I saw the movie and have listened to the soundtrack many times since then. Liked it even more now.
3) Lois's line of "if we're done measuring DICKS here" or however she says it is still VERY grating and out of place. Wife said something right away, as soon as Lois said it she looked at me and said "uh wow, what the..."
4) Much less bothered by the destruction, wasn't bothered much by it before, but was a little.
5) Not bothered by Zod dying even a little. Wife looked at me after that and said "oooh I bet the fans were annoyed by that." She said she didn't have a problem with it.
My wife is not a "comic fan" but she does enjoy some of the movies quite a bit (X-Men, Iron Man, Captain America). She is definitly not a superman fan, which is why I saw it in theaters without her. Showed her Superman: The Movie a long time ago, she didn't like it. Doesn't care for Superman and thought the movie was very cheesy (which, it kinda is and I understood). We saw Superman Returns in theaters, she hated it and so did I.
She said she liked it, likes Henry C. as Superman and that this is definitely her favorite Superman movie.
But Thor spent at least half or 2/3 of his first movie being a borderline asshole. A FUN asshole, the kind of beer drinking bro who might be popular at parties, but in terms of his overall quality of character for a good portion of the movie, he's a total asshole. He tries to start a war. His own father calls him petulant and cruel. Thor turns around and calls his dad old and foolish.
Now look, Thor grows in his movie and kinda turns his life around. In part 2 I'd say he's a real hero. But, in the context of the movie, hasn't he also been alive for like.... a loooooong time? At least in terms of human years? And yet for a large portion of his life he was a party animal asshole who took pleasure in blowing stuff up and killing people. Hell he still takes pleasure in blowing stuff up and killing people that need killing. He even laughs about it.
Thor isn't Superman.
If you look at the movie in the whole context rather then focus on what you dislike, its easy to see what the creators were trying to do. That doesn't mean you have to like it.
Kent wasn't pouting, raised to let people die, or whatever else those who dislike the movie what to hang their hats on.
M
I have my ideas on exactly what the filmmakers were trying to do. No I don't have to like it... and I don't. Knowing what they intended or tried to say doesnt equal good. And choosing to only look at the things I do like about the movie doesn't make it a good movie either or a good interpretation of the character.
The movie has tons of faults. It would've been great to see a focus on farm boy Kent. Its one of those great aspects of the character I enjoyed In Lois & Clark, Smallville, Kingdom Come, to name a few. They dropped the ball by not touching upon it.
The 20 minutes of disaster porn really was a mistake for the movie. I've previously mentioned aspects of the movie I didn't care for. As a whole, I thought approaching the mythos from a First Contact point of view was great. It was clearly conveyed.
I know it doesn't have the "ah shucks" of yesteryear, but that's not our society either.
I just find the use of "pouting" to be an over exaggeration of what the scenes were actually about.
It's not rocket science to be objective. I see the novelty of Duck Dynasty, Borat, & what Webb is trying to do with the Amazing Spider-man series. All three things I find immensely uninteresting because they aren't in my tastes.
LeBron James & Sydney Crosby are both elite in their respective sports. I can visibly see the talent...but that doesn't mean I won't call "overrated", "douchebags", & "jerkoffs."
M
I've come to realize (being on the other side with this thread), it's not really for me to say what is the correct version & what isn't. My statement should read "its not Batman that I'm interested in reading."
The Miller version, Morrison version, & 60s version are ALL Batman. I don't have to agree with the particular takes, but I shouldn't consider myself THE authority on the character. All versions have gained readers & were signs of their times.
I've been saying that (basically) about Man of Steel. It's a reflection of its time. We don't HAVE to like that reflection, but its a reality.
Thanks guys for making me have a better understanding of my tunnel vision.
M
Cultural Lessons of 2013: Thor is the new Superman
I don't agree with all of it, but it raises some interesting points.
M
Not sure if anyone else saw this. I just saw it for the first time watching some of the behind the scenes stuff for Man of Steel. Pretty cool story. Henry was an extra in one scene of the movie Proof of Life and asked Russell about acting. Russell ended up sending him a little care package a few days later with some words of encouragement.
You've talked me down from my complete high-horsiness about MoS in this thread.
I still hate it, but I no longer think one would have to be insane to like it.
http://www.newsarama.com/20156-when-the-joker-met-superman-max-landis-re-imagines-their-1st-encounter.html
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