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  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    David_D said:

    Matt said:

    David_D said:

    Matt said:

    David_D said:

    Matt said:

    batlaw said:

    To further explore the infamous school bus scene:
    Imagine it but simply reversed. Taking all his fathers warnings to heart along with his own fear of discovery/uncertainty Clark allows all his classmates to perish while he of course survives. Mrs. Ross (now grieving) confronts the Kents about Clarks miraculous survival and how it mustve been devine intervention Etc. The Kents snicker and try to reasure her nothing "supernatural" occurred. Meenwhile Clark is outside pouting and pondering whether or not he did the right thing. Pa approaches Clark and attempts to comfort and council him. Clark asks "what was I supposed to do, save them and risk exposing my abilities?". To which pa Kent replies, "I dunno, maybe"?. Honestly, Is there anyone who would be defending that scene? Would you agree and understand pa Kent or say it was fitting of the character in any way? I think outrage at Mr. Kent would be appropriate. What the hell do you mean "maybe"!? there is no maybe. Absolutely of course you should have saved those kids. Son Im glad youre okay and your secret is safe, but If you have the ability to do something then you have the responsibility to do something! If nothing else than in cases of whether or not a dozen innocent children are going to die (or when hundreds of thousands are dying all around you in downtown).

    OR Clark decided he made the wrong choice and made a vow that he would learn to use his powers responsibly and help people.

    M
    Which really would make Pa the villain, and one with blood on his hands, at that.
    I'm going to need a @David_D super sized post with an elaboration. I'm looking to understand your thought process.

    M
    I can probably keep it (somewhat) concise, actually-- in the film we got, Pa, out of love for Clark, kept pressure on him to stay 'in the closet', but Pa's desire for Clark to keep the secret was something that Clark resisted. Including saving those kids from the bus even though it may have gone against what Pa wanted.

    However, if the fear and pressure that Pa put into Clark ACTUALLY kept him from saving those kids? Then that would be blood on Pa's hands. And any good deed that Clark did in the future as Superman would become an attempt to undo that shame (or that sin, for those that want to think of it in those terms-- a la the Act of Contrition 'in what I've done and what I failed to do').

    Those kids dying would be the difference between a father whose heart was in the right place, and eventually you had to understand where he was coming from but still defy him vs. 'I did what I thought he wanted and it led to the worst decision of my life'.
    Wouldn't Pa, see the deaths, realized he was wrong to shelter Clark & his powers? Now he's helping Clark to hone his abilities & help him help others?

    In the actual movie, would you say (based on your above post) all the unseen deaths in Smallville & Metropolis then are blood on Pa's deceased hands? Had he (supposedly) coddled Clark & have him use his powers early on, he'd be more confident in the limitations & save the citizens? In a way, pursuing the battle with Zod could be the same as keeping his secret during the bus incident. It was more important to Clark to save his classmates (as opposed to keeping the secret), just as it was more important for Superman to fight Zod (as opposed to worrying about all the endangered people).

    M
    It might have inspired Pa to get on Team Superman, but it would have been too late. No amount of regret or help towards Clark doing better in the future would bring those kids back. To be clear, I am not saying Pa would be the villain like Clark would actually fight against him. Rather that he would have been a part of making Clark do something that perhaps could never be redeemed.

    As for the unseen deaths in Smallville and Metropolis. . . are you now conceding that maybe those buildings weren't empty? ;)
    I'm not conceding those buildings were full anymore then I am that Pa insinuated Clark should've let those kids die. Haha.

    M
  • PlaneisPlaneis Posts: 980
    Matt said:

    David_D said:

    Matt said:

    batlaw said:

    To further explore the infamous school bus scene:
    Imagine it but simply reversed. Taking all his fathers warnings to heart along with his own fear of discovery/uncertainty Clark allows all his classmates to perish while he of course survives. Mrs. Ross (now grieving) confronts the Kents about Clarks miraculous survival and how it mustve been devine intervention Etc. The Kents snicker and try to reasure her nothing "supernatural" occurred. Meenwhile Clark is outside pouting and pondering whether or not he did the right thing. Pa approaches Clark and attempts to comfort and council him. Clark asks "what was I supposed to do, save them and risk exposing my abilities?". To which pa Kent replies, "I dunno, maybe"?. Honestly, Is there anyone who would be defending that scene? Would you agree and understand pa Kent or say it was fitting of the character in any way? I think outrage at Mr. Kent would be appropriate. What the hell do you mean "maybe"!? there is no maybe. Absolutely of course you should have saved those kids. Son Im glad youre okay and your secret is safe, but If you have the ability to do something then you have the responsibility to do something! If nothing else than in cases of whether or not a dozen innocent children are going to die (or when hundreds of thousands are dying all around you in downtown).

    OR Clark decided he made the wrong choice and made a vow that he would learn to use his powers responsibly and help people.

    M
    Which really would make Pa the villain, and one with blood on his hands, at that.
    I'm going to need a @David_D super sized post with an elaboration. I'm looking to understand your thought process.

    M
    Why are we discussing something that didn't happen in the movie?.... We're just telling ourselves stories.
  • David_DDavid_D Posts: 3,884
    edited June 2013
    Planeis said:

    Matt said:

    David_D said:

    Matt said:

    batlaw said:

    To further explore the infamous school bus scene:
    Imagine it but simply reversed. Taking all his fathers warnings to heart along with his own fear of discovery/uncertainty Clark allows all his classmates to perish while he of course survives. Mrs. Ross (now grieving) confronts the Kents about Clarks miraculous survival and how it mustve been devine intervention Etc. The Kents snicker and try to reasure her nothing "supernatural" occurred. Meenwhile Clark is outside pouting and pondering whether or not he did the right thing. Pa approaches Clark and attempts to comfort and council him. Clark asks "what was I supposed to do, save them and risk exposing my abilities?". To which pa Kent replies, "I dunno, maybe"?. Honestly, Is there anyone who would be defending that scene? Would you agree and understand pa Kent or say it was fitting of the character in any way? I think outrage at Mr. Kent would be appropriate. What the hell do you mean "maybe"!? there is no maybe. Absolutely of course you should have saved those kids. Son Im glad youre okay and your secret is safe, but If you have the ability to do something then you have the responsibility to do something! If nothing else than in cases of whether or not a dozen innocent children are going to die (or when hundreds of thousands are dying all around you in downtown).

    OR Clark decided he made the wrong choice and made a vow that he would learn to use his powers responsibly and help people.

    M
    Which really would make Pa the villain, and one with blood on his hands, at that.
    I'm going to need a @David_D super sized post with an elaboration. I'm looking to understand your thought process.

    M
    Why are we discussing something that didn't happen in the movie?.... We're just telling ourselves stories.
    This spun out of an earlier post that looked at the bus scene a different way, and then tracked forward from there. (Which creates another way of looking at what is, I think, the somewhat muddy POV of Jonathan Kent that *is* in the movie.)

    Regardless, where's the problem? Are we going to run out of Internet? You can always skip this particular sidebar if you want.
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    David_D said:

    Are we going to run out of Internet?

    =))

    Official Notice: I will be stealing this line.
  • PlaneisPlaneis Posts: 980
    David_D said:

    Planeis said:

    Matt said:

    David_D said:

    Matt said:

    batlaw said:

    To further explore the infamous school bus scene:
    Imagine it but simply reversed. Taking all his fathers warnings to heart along with his own fear of discovery/uncertainty Clark allows all his classmates to perish while he of course survives. Mrs. Ross (now grieving) confronts the Kents about Clarks miraculous survival and how it mustve been devine intervention Etc. The Kents snicker and try to reasure her nothing "supernatural" occurred. Meenwhile Clark is outside pouting and pondering whether or not he did the right thing. Pa approaches Clark and attempts to comfort and council him. Clark asks "what was I supposed to do, save them and risk exposing my abilities?". To which pa Kent replies, "I dunno, maybe"?. Honestly, Is there anyone who would be defending that scene? Would you agree and understand pa Kent or say it was fitting of the character in any way? I think outrage at Mr. Kent would be appropriate. What the hell do you mean "maybe"!? there is no maybe. Absolutely of course you should have saved those kids. Son Im glad youre okay and your secret is safe, but If you have the ability to do something then you have the responsibility to do something! If nothing else than in cases of whether or not a dozen innocent children are going to die (or when hundreds of thousands are dying all around you in downtown).

    OR Clark decided he made the wrong choice and made a vow that he would learn to use his powers responsibly and help people.

    M
    Which really would make Pa the villain, and one with blood on his hands, at that.
    I'm going to need a @David_D super sized post with an elaboration. I'm looking to understand your thought process.

    M
    Why are we discussing something that didn't happen in the movie?.... We're just telling ourselves stories.
    This spun out of an earlier post that looked at the bus scene a different way, and then tracked forward from there. (Which creates another way of looking at what is, I think, the somewhat muddy POV of Jonathan Kent that *is* in the movie.)

    Regardless, where's the problem? Are we going to run out of Internet? You can always skip this particular sidebar if you want.
    No problem, just seems like getting overly emotional and intense with each other about an alternate version of the movie that doesn't exist
  • David_DDavid_D Posts: 3,884
    edited June 2013
    Does it? It all seems pretty calm and dry talk to me.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    David_D said:

    Does it? It all seems pretty calm and dry talk to me.

    Actually...yeah, it was calm and dry. I don't think any of us went zero to fight club on each other. I was enjoying the sidebar conversation (not a "sidebar argument.")

    M

  • David_DDavid_D Posts: 3,884
    Matt said:

    David_D said:

    Does it? It all seems pretty calm and dry talk to me.

    Actually...yeah, it was calm and dry. I don't think any of us went zero to fight club on each other. I was enjoying the sidebar conversation (not a "sidebar argument.")

    M

    I mean. . . that was you that called me up crying last night, right? I could barely make out the voice on the phone. But I know you are very hormonal right now, so I understood.
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    David_D said:

    Matt said:

    David_D said:

    Does it? It all seems pretty calm and dry talk to me.

    Actually...yeah, it was calm and dry. I don't think any of us went zero to fight club on each other. I was enjoying the sidebar conversation (not a "sidebar argument.")

    M

    I mean. . . that was you that called me up crying last night, right? I could barely make out the voice on the phone. But I know you are very hormonal right now, so I understood.
    No. That was me.

    I was upset that your alternative scenario got more attention than my alternative scenario.

    Jerk.

    :D
  • TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    You know what? I want *more* neck snapping in my Superman tales.

    "Behold, Superman! I am Mr. Mxylptlik! And with my magical 5th-dimensional powers I shall vex ye until you make me speak my name backwa-"

    *SNAP!*

    If this happens in the second movie I will officially - and I'm saying it right here - declare MoSII the greatest motion picture ever made and will proselytize it to anyone and everyone until I am dead, cremated and my ashes are scattered all over my worst enemy.


  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    David_D said:

    Matt said:

    David_D said:

    Does it? It all seems pretty calm and dry talk to me.

    Actually...yeah, it was calm and dry. I don't think any of us went zero to fight club on each other. I was enjoying the sidebar conversation (not a "sidebar argument.")

    M

    I mean. . . that was you that called me up crying last night, right? I could barely make out the voice on the phone. But I know you are very hormonal right now, so I understood.
    I called you crying?! I thought it was you calling me trying to get me to dirty talk with you. "What's wrong with manure? Its man & ure!"

    M
  • David_DDavid_D Posts: 3,884

    You know what? I want *more* neck snapping in my Superman tales.

    "Behold, Superman! I am Mr. Mxylptlik! And with my magical 5th-dimensional powers I shall vex ye until you make me speak my name backwa-"

    *SNAP!*

    If this happens in the second movie I will officially - and I'm saying it right here - declare MoSII the greatest motion picture ever made and will proselytize it to anyone and everyone until I am dead, cremated and my ashes are scattered all over my worst enemy.


    It could definitely speed up some stories.

    "Solomon Grundy. Born on a/"
    *SNAP!*

    "Hey Superman, I've turned into a/"
    *SNAP!*

    "You need to come with us to the 31st/"
    *SNAP!*

    "Help mister! My cat is stuck up a/"


    (I didn't have it in me to finish that last one)
  • John_SteedJohn_Steed Posts: 2,087
    This thread is way more fun than the movie it's about.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457

    This thread is way more fun than the movie it's about.

    That's because the movie kicked ass, rather then be haha funny!

    M
  • batlawbatlaw Posts: 879
    How does everyone imagine this film will be looked at ten years from now? 20? I dont think time will be kind to Man of Steel. As one reviewer put it, this movie has an expiration date. I agree with that. Regardless of how entertaining it may be, if I had to describe it in one word, it would be superficial.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    batlaw said:

    How does everyone imagine this film will be looked at ten years from now? 20? I dont think time will be kind to Man of Steel. As one reviewer put it, this movie has an expiration date. I agree with that. Regardless of how entertaining it may be, if I had to describe it in one word, it would be superficial.

    Probably. Much like the 1978 movie. If MOS is superficial, then the 1978 movie should be camp.

    M
  • rebisrebis Posts: 1,820
    If nothing else, MOS has introduced me to a face that I need to see more of
    imageimage

    I'm off to IMDB!
  • PlaneisPlaneis Posts: 980
    face? is that reaaaaaalllly what you're interested in? be honest.....
  • Mr_CosmicMr_Cosmic Posts: 3,200
    edited July 2013
  • RedRight88RedRight88 Posts: 2,207
    edited July 2013
    @Mr_Cosmic
    So, she reminds you of Antonio Banderas?! ;))
  • Mr_CosmicMr_Cosmic Posts: 3,200

    @Mr_Cosmic
    So, she reminds you of Antonio Banderas?! ;))

    image
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    I don't know, not stopping until he's a smear does imply a death!


    http://youtu.be/dmTg7ROPssc

    M
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    Matt said:

    I don't know, not stopping until he's a smear does imply a death!

    Aw, that was just trash talk. [-(
  • CageNarleighCageNarleigh Posts: 729
    Finally saw 'Man of Steel'. It was a good movie to be sure. But, it was far too much action and not enough HEART. Don't get me wrong, I didn't go into this thinking it would knock the original Superman movie (Christopher Reeve) off it's pedestal. Nor did I think I would get LESS action out of a Zach Snyder film. But that whole movie felt like it was...missing something.

    Cavill was a great Supes. Amy Adams, I thought, did wonderful as Lois. Spunky and cute and courageous. Costner was a believable Jonathan Kent, especially towards the end of the film, though I admit I was leery at first. Crowe was fairly decent Jor-El, though the movie could have used less of him. All in all it was a good film, and I'm glad I saw it in theaters, but it just was missing something.
  • rebisrebis Posts: 1,820
    image

    you would think a guy that's a solar battery would have a better tan.
  • RepoManRepoMan Posts: 327
    http://hurricane.methaz.org/avengers_estimate.pdf

    "Couple of blocks". Some of you need to, you know, actually WATCH the Avengers final battle again. Iron Man zooming through several streets while the aliens crash into buildings or shoot at Iron Man, causing hits to smash into buildings. Those big floating vessels crashing into several buildings and collapsing the top of one building - clearly showing the building falling. The vessel that Iron Man "brings to the party" clearly travels a half a mile if not more before Hulk punches it. Speaking of Hulk, he's shown running through a building - full of people - to stop another vessel. That vessel's wings smash right into said building sending debris scattering among those people. And the list goes on and on.

    This isn't to negate the amount of destruction in Man of Steel. It's just to show that some of you are parroting a meme that clearly is wrong. People WERE in the Avengers battle, building DID fall - and if you make the claim that Superman allowed people to die in Man of Steel, the same could be said of Avengers.

    Never thought I'd live to see comic book readers arguing over destruction in a superhero battle. I sure hope none of you read Miracleman. Your heads will esplode. :)
  • PlaneisPlaneis Posts: 980
    RepoMan said:

    http://hurricane.methaz.org/avengers_estimate.pdf

    "Couple of blocks". Some of you need to, you know, actually WATCH the Avengers final battle again. Iron Man zooming through several streets while the aliens crash into buildings or shoot at Iron Man, causing hits to smash into buildings. Those big floating vessels crashing into several buildings and collapsing the top of one building - clearly showing the building falling. The vessel that Iron Man "brings to the party" clearly travels a half a mile if not more before Hulk punches it. Speaking of Hulk, he's shown running through a building - full of people - to stop another vessel. That vessel's wings smash right into said building sending debris scattering among those people. And the list goes on and on.

    This isn't to negate the amount of destruction in Man of Steel. It's just to show that some of you are parroting a meme that clearly is wrong. People WERE in the Avengers battle, building DID fall - and if you make the claim that Superman allowed people to die in Man of Steel, the same could be said of Avengers.

    Never thought I'd live to see comic book readers arguing over destruction in a superhero battle. I sure hope none of you read Miracleman. Your heads will esplode. :)

    Totally agree, although I don't think its as egregious on this here board as on others. Some are acting as if maybe a few dozen people died in Avengers. C'mon. The whole city was on fire. There were tens of thousands of aliens, maybe hundreds of thousands, storming the city.
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