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Hard to Watch Comic Movies

I was wondering in a quasi-poll type thread what comic movies you find to be hard to watch; I couldn't do a poll because the possibilities are lengthy. Not movies that are just bad comic movies, such as Catwoman or Man-Thing, but comic movies that after the initial viewing you'd buy on DVD when it's $5 or watch if it's on cable TV. Those movies that have a lot of cringe-worthy moments, but there are parts you really like.

For example, there are two movies that always come to mind to me for this category: Superman Returns and Spider-man 3. I edge out Superman Returns because if you stop Spider-man 3 movie right before Parker street dances, it is not really that bad (this is almost exactly halfway through the movie). The last half of the movie is like driving off a cliff.

My primary issue with Superman Returns is that damn kid. Without doing a lot of editing, you cannot eject him to get a decent movie. I hate everything about the kid and found him to be the killing blow of the movie. Having said that, there are some great scenes in this movie that I enjoy fast-forwarding to see.

So what are your Hard to Watch Comic Movies?

M.
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  • PlaneisPlaneis Posts: 980
    So... you want movies that we watch, but borderline hate to watch? not a piece of garbage like Jonah Hex which has no redeeming value, but something like Superman Returns if you find it tolerable (which, I personally... do NOT)
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    Planeis said:

    So... you want movies that we watch, but borderline hate to watch? not a piece of garbage like Jonah Hex which has no redeeming value, but something like Superman Returns if you find it tolerable (which, I personally... do NOT)

    Exactly.

    M
  • batlawbatlaw Posts: 879
    Spiderman 3. Batman forever. Ghost rider. X3.
  • LibraryBoyLibraryBoy Posts: 1,803
    I saw Superman Returns on sale for $1 a few Black Fridays back and I still thought it was $21 too expensive. You want me to take that movie off your hands, you're handing it to me along with $20 for my troubles. I didn't just dislike it, I was angered by it. I wanted to see Bryan Singer's Superman, and what I got was "Bryan Singer's Richard Donner's Superman, Except Based On A Version of Superman 2 That Was Never Released Or Even Finished And Oh Yeah There's A Kid For Some Reason - Now With Extra Jesus Metaphor."

    Spider-Man 3 I could actually watch again sometime, because I actually kind of like the whole Dancin' Peter thing because that was the *exact* moment where you could tell that no one involved gave even one f--- anymore and gave the studio exactly what they thought they wanted. Bad movie? Sure, but Raimi & Co. probably bought some nice houses and boats on those paychecks and probably still laugh about it to this day.
  • LibraryBoyLibraryBoy Posts: 1,803
    Oh, and Batman and Robin. Man, that one was a hard pill to swallow. Batman Forever was cheesy with all the neon and the nipples and the cars climbing walls and the Two-Face coin flip cheating, but it was still kind of enjoyable in ways (probably helps that I'm a huge Riddler fan). B&R, though... man, Mr. Freeze didn't need that ice gun, he could've just held Gotham City hostage with that endless barrage of ice puns. Not that that's the only problem with the movie - others are what they did to Batgirl, what they did to Bane, the increased role of Gossip Gertie (a.k.a. Mrs. Bob Kane)... I could go on - but in the end it was the puns that got to me. It's like the Chinese Water Torture of forced-and-ultimately-failing attempts at cleverness.
  • kiwijasekiwijase Posts: 451
    Regarding that kid in Superman Returns. This could just be me, but oh well.

    We were led to believe that the makers of the film wanted us to see Superman Returns as a follow up to the first two Christopher Reeve Superman movies, with Superman Returns taking place five years after Superman 2. We are led to believe that the kid is the love child of Supes and Lois, meaning he would have been conceived (presumedly) during their little tryst in the Fortress of Solitude in Superman 2. BUT! in order to "be" with Lois, Supes had to be stripped of his powers, to be made an ordinary man. SO! How come the kid starts manifesting his dads powers, if at the time of conception, daddy had no Super genes to pass on. Huh? HUH?!!

    Still, I liked Superman Returns a lot, whatever it's faults, it is a beautiful film to look at, and Brandon Routh made a fine Superman.


  • DoctorDoomDoctorDoom Posts: 2,586
    Superman Returns for me.

    Complete with floating-to-Earth-in-Jesus-pose.
  • PlaneisPlaneis Posts: 980
    as for "hard to watch" I'll go with Batman Forever. Sillyness abounds, but still kinda fun.
  • kiwijase said:

    Regarding that kid in Superman Returns. This could just be me, but oh well.

    We were led to believe that the makers of the film wanted us to see Superman Returns as a follow up to the first two Christopher Reeve Superman movies, with Superman Returns taking place five years after Superman 2. We are led to believe that the kid is the love child of Supes and Lois, meaning he would have been conceived (presumedly) during their little tryst in the Fortress of Solitude in Superman 2. BUT! in order to "be" with Lois, Supes had to be stripped of his powers, to be made an ordinary man. SO! How come the kid starts manifesting his dads powers, if at the time of conception, daddy had no Super genes to pass on. Huh? HUH?!!

    Still, I liked Superman Returns a lot, whatever it's faults, it is a beautiful film to look at, and Brandon Routh made a fine Superman.


    Don't try to make sense of it. Only pain and insanity lie down that road.

    My question is how did Singer expect to sequel his way out of it? By having Superman continue to let cyclops raise his child, or to bust up their relationship, and swoop in and raise him like he never left? Either way, Superman looks dickish.
  • GregGreg Posts: 1,946
    Batman and Robin
    Batman Forever
    Ghost Rider 1 and 2
    Spider-Man 1 and 3
    Jonah Hex
    Superman 3 and 4
    Blade 1, 2 and 3
    Green Lantern
    Daredevil
    Elektra
    Dark Knight Rises (yep)
    Punisher (Ludgren and War Zone)
    Incredible Hulk (Bana)
    X-Men 1, 2 and 3
    Wolverine
    Batman and Batman Returns (I really liked Keaton as Batman though)

    My geek cred is shot, I know.

    There are more. I think it's less on the 'hard to wach" side of things and more of the fact that I don't go out of my way to re-watch movies after I've seen them the first time unless it's something that I found to be incredibly enjobable.
  • My vote is for the Ang Lee Hulk movie. I find it COMPLETELY unwatchable. I have yet to see the whole thing, and find even the "action" scenes to be boring. And once you get to the daddy issues, the murky origin, and the gamma-irradiated poodles, you feel like tracking down Ang Lee and crouching his tiger, and not in a good way, if you know what I mean.

    Utter garbage.
  • By the way Spider-Man 3, Batman and Robin, Green Lantern, Superman III, Judge Dredd, and others have been covered on "How Did This Get Made", the ultimate bad movie podcast. It is maybe the funniest thing I have ever listened to, aside from Drunk Cap.

    earwolf.com/show/how-did-this-get-made/
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    Wow, its fascinating how many votes Superman Returns is getting.

    I think Ang Lee's Hulk is the flip side of Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy. Both directors wanted to beyond a comic book movie. Lee seemed to want a more artistic take on Hulk. I even heard he was trying to interpret the character through an Asian angle.

    Nolan went for more of a realistic angle. Escalation, Occupy movements, etc. Did Nolan's work because the American audience finds the Asian interpretation so foreign (no pun intended)?

    M
  • kiwijasekiwijase Posts: 451
    Ang Lees Hulk is another flick I have a lot of affection for. I particularly like the opening title sequence.
  • bats00bats00 Posts: 275
    Planeis said:

    as for "hard to watch" I'll go with Batman Forever. Sillyness abounds, but still kinda fun.

    Agree with you on this one completly.

  • mwhitt80mwhitt80 Posts: 4,637
    I'm not going be the first person to say this, but I will be the first to break it down
    X-Men 1 is boring. It was boring when it came out and is even more boring today. It's not that I disliked the film when I saw it, and there are a handful of scenes I really enjoy. But ughhh it's just boring.

    I think that fits the topic.
  • shroud68shroud68 Posts: 457
    Ang Lee's Hulk. I cannot stand the Nick Nolte stuff but when he goes apes#&t on the US Army. That is some great Hulk stuff.
  • TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    I tend to find something to like about any movie rather than something to hate endlessly on.

    That said, I never finished watching Jonah Hex and it'll take an act of Congress to get me to watch any of the Schumacher Batman movies. Or Catwoman.

    Movies I enjoyed that others seem to hate on: Daredevil, the X-Franchise (including Origins:Wolverine), Green Lantern, and I'm thinking about giving Ang Lee's Hulk another day in court. It's redeemed by Ed Norton's version...which was awesome.
  • Chuck_MelvilleChuck_Melville Posts: 3,003
    I never had any real problem with Ang Lee's Hulk, except for the comic book style frames and headers, and the fact that the Hulk was twenty feet tall. I was okay with Daredevil and most of the Marvel movies -- even the two FF films, for all of their problems. The Wolverine: Origins film was just okay for me.

    I guess Howard The Duck would be the loser I love to watch. It's got so much wrong with it, but there is a heart to it, 'way down underneath all of the crap, struggling to rise to the surface. There are a few scenes that play out Howard's growing sense of alienation quite well. And I love watching the scene in the diner.
  • RedRight88RedRight88 Posts: 2,207
    Conan the Destroyer...halfway through I started reading an issue of Wizard magazine.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    This has actually had me want to rewatch Ang Lee's Hulk again. Nolte & the comic panel shots probably what puts this movie in the category for me. Nolte's role kind of went from a genetic genius to an unkept, gravel voiced bum & eventually the Absorbing Man (is he even considered a Hulk villain?!)

    The comic panel shots were very distracting, the annoying. If the whole movie was that way it might've made more sense (though I'd find it unwatchable). Sprinkling it throughout the movie seemed like bad editing on a movie.

    M
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    Also, when people list Daredevil, is that the theatrical release or Director's Cut? I'd argue the Director's Cut is almost a completely different movie.

    M
  • GregGreg Posts: 1,946
    @Matt - I'm referring to the theatrical cut of DD, I've not yet been able to see the director's cut.
  • shroud68shroud68 Posts: 457
    Matt said:

    This has actually had me want to rewatch Ang Lee's Hulk again. Nolte & the comic panel shots probably what puts this movie in the category for me. Nolte's role kind of went from a genetic genius to an unkept, gravel voiced bum & eventually the Absorbing Man (is he even considered a Hulk villain?!)

    The comic panel shots were very distracting, the annoying. If the whole movie was that way it might've made more sense (though I'd find it unwatchable). Sprinkling it throughout the movie seemed like bad editing on a movie.

    M

    I agree with the comic panel shots. Had it been used consistently it would have been a much better effect.great idea,horrible execution.

    As far as Absorbing Man being a Hulk villian, he's fought him enough times in his book to justify the shout out but not in that ridiculous, watch it 5 times and still dont get it way. What a bad ending, not the way a Hulk movie fight should end.
  • LibraryBoyLibraryBoy Posts: 1,803
    I completely misunderstood the question... Superman Returns and Batman & Robin are both movies I will never watch again, where Spider-Man 3 and Batman Forever are movies that I could watch again, flaws and all.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457

    I completely misunderstood the question... Superman Returns and Batman & Robin are both movies I will never watch again, where Spider-Man 3 and Batman Forever are movies that I could watch again, flaws and all.

    Sure, I'm referencing those comic movies that are almost a chore to watch because despite the parts you really enjoy, there are cringe worthy flaws that would prevent you from watching it over & over again. In fact, you're viewing of the movie is more then likely when TNT or FX is airing it.

    It sounds like Spider-man 3 & Batman Forever are those type of movies.

    M
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    Greg said:

    @Matt - I'm referring to the theatrical cut of DD, I've not yet been able to see the director's cut.

    If you didn't like the look or acting of Daredevil standard cut, then the Director's Cut won't make a difference. If the movie's storyline is what you have issues with, then do yourself a favor and watch the Director's Cut. There's a whole subplot that really helps the main story of the movie.

    M
  • ctowner1ctowner1 Posts: 481
    Matt said:

    This has actually had me want to rewatch Ang Lee's Hulk again. Nolte & the comic panel shots probably what puts this movie in the category for me. Nolte's role kind of went from a genetic genius to an unkept, gravel voiced bum & eventually the Absorbing Man (is he even considered a Hulk villain?!)

    The comic panel shots were very distracting, the annoying. If the whole movie was that way it might've made more sense (though I'd find it unwatchable). Sprinkling it throughout the movie seemed like bad editing on a movie.

    M

    Actually, this movie falls right within your described criteria for this thread for me. I think it's not a good movie, but the shots of the Hulk bouncing around in the desert and fighting the army? I like those scenes! So if it's on cable around that part, I'm there.

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  • ajcasperiteajcasperite Posts: 221
    The last Ghost Rider, awful.
  • But the last ghost rider was veyr bad. I think he wants movies we'd watch again with some effort to ignore part of the movie.
    Which, I guess, for me it would be Iron Man 2. I kinda liked the movie, but the part whith Fury int he middle really stops the flow.

    Also... you can't invent atoms. You may sinthetize new isotopes. And I know, I know, you'll say "you can't even transform in giant green monsters", but it's different to me: the hulk isn't explained in detail, they just tell you some factors who come into play... as long as you don't go into detail, most everything is believable; but ATOMS are very very basic stuff, and anyone who knows anything about this will know that there is an actual reason why you can't invent new elements.

    Wow, sorry, that was kind of a weird rant... sorry...
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