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Episode 1388 Talkback: Age of Ultron Issue 10
Pants
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It's the finale of Age of Ultron as we go over issue 10. What does this mean for the future of the Marvel Universe(s)? (58:24)
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Matthew
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Can I try to sum up what Jamie is saying: "its a huge bucket of suck."
Its been years since I have collected from the Big 2. I feel like they're drug dealers: giving you enough to come back, but always trying to get that new clientele!
DE has great pulp comics. Look to the Shadow.
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I really want to like DE. I just can't get past the bad illustration.
I do think some of their books look "average." It bothers me less with the Shadow, which is basically the only comics I pick up consecutively. I think the artwork kinda works with the ambiguity of the character.
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I want to "join the revolution" (see how we can use Marvel Now banners)
And the FCBD 2012 Age of Ultron prelude is actually a reprint of Avengers 12.1. So it was released as a regular issue first.
Look at the Avengers titles (not to mention double shipping for most titles)
Avengers (twice a month)
New Avengers
Secret Avengers
Avengers Academy
Avengers Assembled
Young Avengers
Now we're getting:
Avengers AI
Mighty Avengers
And honestly the first six books have good creative teams telling good stories. Assembled is the only title that feels kind of redundant but I feel like that's the title for the mainstream readers who came in from the movie. Secret Avengers should really be called S.H.I.E.L.D. and the publicly well knowns like Hawkeye and Black Widow shouldn't be in the book but it wouldn't probably sell otherwise.
So my point, and plug is this, Earth's Mightiest Podcast.com. Our motto:
"We defend you from bad books and avenge the books you may have missed."
Can't keep up with all 8 Avengers titles? Then check out the podcast as we talk about all the books. We'll keep you up to date then you can decide what you want to pick up.
"Sort of, and this is one of those odd doglegs. A version of Wolverine has a relationship with a version of Sue, but since the "Age of Ultron" timeline was essentially averted in "Avengers" #12.1 that Sue and Wolverine are an extra Sue and Wolverine. They're not the characters who are in "Fantastic Four" and "Wolverine & the X-Men" right now. They can't be, because for those characters, none of that happened. Ultron was beaten in #12.1. He never came back and blew up Manhattan.
In fact the Sue that's present on that rooftop didn't get to see what the present day would have looked like without Hank. Because the Wolverine that was killed in the past stopped himself from creating that sequence of events in the first place.
It's very complicated in terms of the time travel stuff [Laughs], but yes, we saw those two characters have a relationship and share an experience, but how that translates to our Wolverine and our Sue going forward remains to be seen. It does mean that potentially somewhere out in the world there's another Sue and another Wolverine. Or they may have been swallowed up by one of the cracks in the universe. Having those extra iterations of those characters walking around may have been too much for an already strained multiverse to handle."
Pants wonders how any of this will play into Infinity, or how what happened here will affect the other Marvel titles he's reading? Answer: It won't. It won't play into anything, really. No one pays attention to any of that sort of continuity-related stuff anymore. Any given writer and editor just use whatever they feel like using for the story they're working on at any given moment, and they forget the rest, because it's too convoluted at this point anyway.
I liked Uncanny Avengers #8AU, though. But, I liked it because that series actually has a writer that gives a lot of THOUGHT to the stories he's crafting.
I still like Marvel in general. I still like what Bendis is doing on the X-titles and am thankful that he seems to be putting effort into them, like he used to do with more of his comics ten years ago. And I still like Hawkeye and Daredevil a whole lot. And Thor -- oh my god Thor.
I feel everything Jamie said, though. I haven't bought THAT many Big Two comics in a while, but I know what he's going through. He asked for recommendations, so I'll give 'em:
You might like Joe Keatinge's Glory from Image. The first vol. is out now, for only $9.99 (I think) and the second and final vol. will be released soon. I think it might be up your alley and it's something different that doesn't get talked about much in CGSville.
I also think that you might like what Charles Soule is doing on Swamp Thing. It is obviously a Big Two book, and I know you used to read it, but if you dropped it after Snyder left... I'd recommend picking up at least the first two issues after that. Soule's Scarecrow/Superman story was like a classic DC Comics Presents tale.
Lastly: Good show, guys!
I'm seeing how people are down on it and I have to wonder if it being an "event" hurts it more than it just being a story.
I share your thoughts on Marvel. There are some really strong individual titles. And Thor -- oh my god, Thor! With the exception of the Gor origin story, that title has been perfect.
A great and passionately inspired rant! Thank you Jamie D! It made this show a great listening experience... and about much more than just The Age of Ultron.
Your rant reflects much of my thoughts about the Marvel and DC situation.
Not reading any Marvel at the moment - so it is great you do these shows so I can keep up with what's happening... and not have to go through money and time reading them!
I was loving Daredevil a while back... but then they dumped a crossover event going into issues of Spiderman and The Punisher... and then I just simply couldn't afford to buy two issues of Daredevil every month because my budget fluctuates.
I've been enjoying Justice League... haven't got any issues of Justice League of America... it simply didn't grab me... not having the Original Six + Cyborg in, I wasn't interested... one Justice Leaguers book is enough for me. (And also have enjoyed the Shazam backup.)
But then I pick up Justice League #20 and it is the Second Part of the Prologue to Trinity Wars... the first part being in JLA #2, I guess... but don't keep up with shippings and previews and stuff... so seeing that was an oh-for-fuck's-sake moment.
I'll get JL #21 to read the conclusion of Shazam... but won't continue into Trinity Wars... it'll cost too much money...
and will be an event in all but name.
:D