I want Wonder Woman to be a head taller than superman and every bit as strong.
You want Wonder Woman to be 6'5 (Henry C. is 6'1)? Has Wonder Woman ever been portrayed as being taller than Superman?
FYI, Gal Gadot (who has been cast as WW according to everyone at this point) is 5'9. Pretty tall compared to most women (according to wikipedia, the average height for a woman in America is 5'4). For those interested that means that at least according to a couple places I've looked she is more than one standard deviation above average, which basically means she's in the top 10% in terms of height in America (among all races).
Yup. 6'5" would be fine. Im referencing Darwin Cooke's New Frontier as a precident. And the woman doesn't actually have to be that big but if like some forced perspective (LOTR, anyone?) to make her appear taller, yes.
I want Wonder Woman to be a head taller than superman and every bit as strong.
You want Wonder Woman to be 6'5 (Henry C. is 6'1)? Has Wonder Woman ever been portrayed as being taller than Superman?
FYI, Gal Gadot (who has been cast as WW according to everyone at this point) is 5'9. Pretty tall compared to most women (according to wikipedia, the average height for a woman in America is 5'4). For those interested that means that at least according to a couple places I've looked she is more than one standard deviation above average, which basically means she's in the top 10% in terms of height in America (among all races).
Yup. 6'5" would be fine. Im referencing Darwin Cooke's New Frontier as a precident. And the woman doesn't actually have to be that big but if like some forced perspective (LOTR, anyone?) to make her appear taller, yes.
6'5, no thank you as far as I'm concerned. I do expect there to be a few camera tricks to make her look substantial (in addition to her beefing up). Like I said, I don't expect her to be in the movie a lot.
Watching the behind the scenes footage of Faora (or however the female villain's name is spelled in Man of Steel) she started out very lean and by the time they were done stil still was, but had definitely started looking much much stronger.
I want Wonder Woman to be a head taller than superman and every bit as strong.
You want Wonder Woman to be 6'5 (Henry C. is 6'1)? Has Wonder Woman ever been portrayed as being taller than Superman?
FYI, Gal Gadot (who has been cast as WW according to everyone at this point) is 5'9. Pretty tall compared to most women (according to wikipedia, the average height for a woman in America is 5'4). For those interested that means that at least according to a couple places I've looked she is more than one standard deviation above average, which basically means she's in the top 10% in terms of height in America (among all races).
Yup. 6'5" would be fine. Im referencing Darwin Cooke's New Frontier as a precident. And the woman doesn't actually have to be that big but if like some forced perspective (LOTR, anyone?) to make her appear taller, yes.
As Cliff Chiang draws her in the current ongoing, she is easily over 6'. He and Brian are big fans of Darwyn’s take on her, and used that as their starting point. They just wanted a quiet, intense, “Man With No Name” version (that’s how Cliff describes it). Cliff’s original costume design for WW (before the New 52 came along) was much more along the lines of Darwyn’s design.
I'm not saying the actress needs to be 6' 5", or even 6' 0" (although if they can make Tom Cruise look taller than all his leading ladies, it should be no trouble to make a WW actress look taller than she is), but I think she does need to look physically intimidating if she’s to be believable in a world as dark and violent as Snyder and Nolan have created.
I suppose that WW's height is going to depend on whether or not the DCMU is going to give WW a secret identity. Unless they stick her in the WNBA (is that still around) a 6'5" woman is going to get a lot of attention.
I suppose that WW's height is going to depend on whether or not the DCMU is going to give WW a secret identity. Unless they stick her in the WNBA (is that still around) a 6'5" woman is going to get a lot of attention.
She doesn’t need to be 6' 5" to look intimidating. She just needs to look like she can hold her own in a fight with super-powered men. Size is an easy way to give that impression, muscle tone is another. But attitude can go along way with that as well.
I just like the idea of Wonder Woman being able to make “tough guys” shake in their boots by merely walking into the room.
I want Wonder Woman to be a head taller than superman and every bit as strong.
You want Wonder Woman to be 6'5 (Henry C. is 6'1)? Has Wonder Woman ever been portrayed as being taller than Superman?
FYI, Gal Gadot (who has been cast as WW according to everyone at this point) is 5'9. Pretty tall compared to most women (according to wikipedia, the average height for a woman in America is 5'4). For those interested that means that at least according to a couple places I've looked she is more than one standard deviation above average, which basically means she's in the top 10% in terms of height in America (among all races).
Yup. 6'5" would be fine. Im referencing Darwin Cooke's New Frontier as a precident. And the woman doesn't actually have to be that big but if like some forced perspective (LOTR, anyone?) to make her appear taller, yes.
As Cliff Chiang draws her in the current ongoing, she is easily over 6'. He and Brian are big fans of Darwyn’s take on her, and used that as their starting point. They just wanted a quiet, intense, “Man With No Name” version (that’s how Cliff describes it). Cliff’s original costume design for WW (before the New 52 came along) was much more along the lines of Darwyn’s design.
I'm not saying the actress needs to be 6' 5", or even 6' 0" (although if they can make Tom Cruise look taller than all his leading ladies, it should be no trouble to make a WW actress look taller than she is), but I think she does need to look physically intimidating if she’s to be believable in a world as dark and violent as Snyder and Nolan have created.
Yes, this. I'm not stuck on a particular number. But I would just like this WW to be substantial. Anybody remember Zap from the old American Gladiator show? (Don't judge me) I remember that woman being imposing.
Then let me throw Stacy Keibler's name out there. Her legs of mass seduction are both imposing AND intimidating!
M
Yea... I've seen her act. She can't do it.
That being said, as a fellow Marylander, I fully support her being in the DC Movie Universe somewhere. Like Supergirl/woman
I didn't know we were discussing acting when throwing the Gladiators out there. ;)
M
I can't speak for Zap but Gina Carano(Crush) was a lead in the movie Haywire, was in Fast & Furious 6, and will be the lead in the female version of The Expendables. :D
Then let me throw Stacy Keibler's name out there. Her legs of mass seduction are both imposing AND intimidating!
M
Yea... I've seen her act. She can't do it.
That being said, as a fellow Marylander, I fully support her being in the DC Movie Universe somewhere. Like Supergirl/woman
I didn't know we were discussing acting when throwing the Gladiators out there. ;)
M
I can't speak for Zap but Gina Carano(Crush) was a lead in the movie Haywire, was in Fast & Furious 6, and will be the lead in the female version of The Expendables. :D
I could see Gina being something in the future, but her acting is also horrible (right now). I could see her being in the DCU somewhere though.
And she has an inside track as she happens to be dating Superman right now...
Then let me throw Stacy Keibler's name out there. Her legs of mass seduction are both imposing AND intimidating!
M
Yea... I've seen her act. She can't do it.
That being said, as a fellow Marylander, I fully support her being in the DC Movie Universe somewhere. Like Supergirl/woman
I didn't know we were discussing acting when throwing the Gladiators out there. ;)
M
I can't speak for Zap but Gina Carano(Crush) was a lead in the movie Haywire, was in Fast & Furious 6, and will be the lead in the female version of The Expendables. :D
I could see Gina being something in the future, but her acting is also horrible (right now). I could see her being in the DCU somewhere though.
And she has an inside track as she happens to be dating Superman right now...
Then let me throw Stacy Keibler's name out there. Her legs of mass seduction are both imposing AND intimidating!
M
Yea... I've seen her act. She can't do it.
That being said, as a fellow Marylander, I fully support her being in the DC Movie Universe somewhere. Like Supergirl/woman
I didn't know we were discussing acting when throwing the Gladiators out there. ;)
M
I can't speak for Zap but Gina Carano(Crush) was a lead in the movie Haywire, was in Fast & Furious 6, and will be the lead in the female version of The Expendables. :D
I could see Gina being something in the future, but her acting is also horrible (right now). I could see her being in the DCU somewhere though.
And she has an inside track as she happens to be dating Superman right now...
Wouldn't dating your cousin be...creepy?
M
I don’t know. I might fit right in with the dark, dark, dark that DC seems to be striving for.
Then let me throw Stacy Keibler's name out there. Her legs of mass seduction are both imposing AND intimidating!
M
Yea... I've seen her act. She can't do it.
That being said, as a fellow Marylander, I fully support her being in the DC Movie Universe somewhere. Like Supergirl/woman
I didn't know we were discussing acting when throwing the Gladiators out there. ;)
M
I can't speak for Zap but Gina Carano(Crush) was a lead in the movie Haywire, was in Fast & Furious 6, and will be the lead in the female version of The Expendables. :D
I could see Gina being something in the future, but her acting is also horrible (right now). I could see her being in the DCU somewhere though.
And she has an inside track as she happens to be dating Superman right now...
Wouldn't dating your cousin be...creepy?
M
What? No no. I said I could see my fellow Marylander Stacey as Supergirl/Woman. I could see Gina being "something" in the future. Don't know what or who. But not SuperGirl/Woman.
ahh back to the looks. I definitely agree with Matt that changing her body would send the wrong message to women who use her as a role model. Surgery is fine, but it has to be your choice, no one else's. I honestly hope they just go with her as is, she is absolutely gorgeous and will pull it off just fine. Super strength doesn't always mean super muscles and comic proportions are unrealistic anyway. There are more ways than large size to be intimidating.
Super strength doesn't always mean super muscles and comic proportions are unrealistic anyway. There are more ways than large size to be intimidating.
I completely agree with that, but supposedly this is just a cameo role. She theoretically won't have much screen time with which to make an impact. And who knows if she’ll even be in an action scene? Size and muscle tone would be a visual shortcut to establish that she is a force to be reckoned with.
And couldn’t her beauty (because she is definitely gorgeous) be construed as sending the wrong message as much as her body shape? “Only a supermodel can be a Wonder Woman”? People can turn just about anything into a negative.
I agree, as I said earlier, that attitude and confidence can go a long way in how she comes across. But I don’t know why surgery was brought into the discussion. I'm just talking about using camera tricks to make her seem a little taller than she is—something that is done all the time in Hollywood—and adding some mass to her frame (and I'm sure she’s on some kind of physical training regimine), as she has a rather thin body type. Just simple tricks that can improve the overall presentation.
Super strength doesn't always mean super muscles and comic proportions are unrealistic anyway. There are more ways than large size to be intimidating.
I completely agree with that, but supposedly this is just a cameo role. She theoretically won't have much screen time with which to make an impact. And who knows if she’ll even be in an action scene? Size and muscle tone would be a visual shortcut to establish that she is a force to be reckoned with.
And couldn’t her beauty (because she is definitely gorgeous) be construed as sending the wrong message as much as her body shape? “Only a supermodel can be a Wonder Woman”? People can turn just about anything into a negative.
I agree, as I said earlier, that attitude and confidence can go a long way in how she comes across. But I don’t know why surgery was brought into the discussion. I'm just talking about using camera tricks to make her seem a little taller than she is—something that is done all the time in Hollywood—and adding some mass to her frame (and I'm sure she’s on some kind of physical training regimine), as she has a rather thin body type. Just simple tricks that can improve the overall presentation.
I can agree with the bulk of this post, except for the center paragraph. I think there is a generally more accepted reception to beauty verses big tits. I think the boob size plays more into sexual fantasies. I would theorize if the extract same porn scene was shot once with an ugly big boobed woman & once with a flat chested beautiful woman, the big boobs would get more hits.
Plus, I don't recall hearing people complaining guys like DJ Qualls aren't cast as Superman, Bond, or a Greek God.
Super strength doesn't always mean super muscles and comic proportions are unrealistic anyway. There are more ways than large size to be intimidating.
I completely agree with that, but supposedly this is just a cameo role. She theoretically won't have much screen time with which to make an impact. And who knows if she’ll even be in an action scene? Size and muscle tone would be a visual shortcut to establish that she is a force to be reckoned with.
And couldn’t her beauty (because she is definitely gorgeous) be construed as sending the wrong message as much as her body shape? “Only a supermodel can be a Wonder Woman”? People can turn just about anything into a negative.
I agree, as I said earlier, that attitude and confidence can go a long way in how she comes across. But I don’t know why surgery was brought into the discussion. I'm just talking about using camera tricks to make her seem a little taller than she is—something that is done all the time in Hollywood—and adding some mass to her frame (and I'm sure she’s on some kind of physical training regimine), as she has a rather thin body type. Just simple tricks that can improve the overall presentation.
I can agree with the bulk of this post, except for the center paragraph. I think there is a generally more accepted reception to beauty verses big tits. I think the boob size plays more into sexual fantasies. I would theorize if the extract same porn scene was shot once with an ugly big boobed woman & once with a flat chested beautiful woman, the big boobs would get more hits.
Plus, I don't recall hearing people complaining guys like DJ Qualls aren't cast as Superman, Bond, or a Greek God.
M
Well, Gadot is a fashion model, and she was Miss Israel in the 2004 Miss Universe pageant. There is all kinds of controversy surrounding both the modeling industry and beauty pageants and how they define what it means to be beautiful. That’s what I'm talking about.
As for your Qualls comment, men have never been held to the same high standards of beauty or been objectified even remotely to the level women have. With only a few exceptions, women in Hollywood have a much shorter shelf life than men do when it comes to certain types of roles.
Just look at the superhero roles. Christian Bale is 39 (31 when first cast as Batman), Ben Affleck is 41, Mark Ruffalo is 46, and Robert Downey Jr. is 48. Meanwhile Scarlet Johansson is 29, Gadot is 28, and Anne Hathaway is 31. Michelle Pfeiffer was 34 when she played Catwoman, but that was probably her last “young” role.
This is the reason for most of the complaints about the lack of diversity (in terms of looks) when it comes to women’s roles in the film industry.
Besides which, with all the hullabaloo with Depp (age 50, by the way) possibly being Dr. Strange, and Affleck being Batman, you don’t think there would be outrage over Qualls being cast as Superman? Man, some people are riled up over Michael Douglas being Hank Pym.
Super strength doesn't always mean super muscles and comic proportions are unrealistic anyway. There are more ways than large size to be intimidating.
I completely agree with that, but supposedly this is just a cameo role. She theoretically won't have much screen time with which to make an impact. And who knows if she’ll even be in an action scene? Size and muscle tone would be a visual shortcut to establish that she is a force to be reckoned with.
And couldn’t her beauty (because she is definitely gorgeous) be construed as sending the wrong message as much as her body shape? “Only a supermodel can be a Wonder Woman”? People can turn just about anything into a negative.
I agree, as I said earlier, that attitude and confidence can go a long way in how she comes across. But I don’t know why surgery was brought into the discussion. I'm just talking about using camera tricks to make her seem a little taller than she is—something that is done all the time in Hollywood—and adding some mass to her frame (and I'm sure she’s on some kind of physical training regimine), as she has a rather thin body type. Just simple tricks that can improve the overall presentation.
I can agree with the bulk of this post, except for the center paragraph. I think there is a generally more accepted reception to beauty verses big tits. I think the boob size plays more into sexual fantasies. I would theorize if the extract same porn scene was shot once with an ugly big boobed woman & once with a flat chested beautiful woman, the big boobs would get more hits.
Plus, I don't recall hearing people complaining guys like DJ Qualls aren't cast as Superman, Bond, or a Greek God.
M
Well, Gadot is a fashion model, and she was Miss Israel in the 2004 Miss Universe pageant. There is all kinds of controversy surrounding both the modeling industry and beauty pageants and how they define what it means to be beautiful. That’s what I'm talking about.
As for your Qualls comment, men have never been held to the same high standards of beauty or been objectified even remotely to the level women have. With only a few exceptions, women in Hollywood have a much shorter shelf life than men do when it comes to certain types of roles.
Just look at the superhero roles. Christian Bale is 39 (31 when first cast as Batman), Ben Affleck is 41, Mark Ruffalo is 46, and Robert Downey Jr. is 48. Meanwhile Scarlet Johansson is 29, Gadot is 28, and Anne Hathaway is 31. Michelle Pfeiffer was 34 when she played Catwoman, but that was probably her last “young” role.
This is the reason for most of the complaints about the lack of diversity (in terms of looks) when it comes to women’s roles in the film industry.
Besides which, with all the hullabaloo with Depp (age 50, by the way) possibly being Dr. Strange, and Affleck being Batman, you don’t think there would be outrage over Qualls being cast as Superman? Man, some people are riled up over Michael Douglas being Hank Pym.
(Qualls for Plastic Man, anyone?)
I think that's a generalization. I certainly don't define beauty by models & pageants. I think people who do are very superficial (and more then likely have zero shot with either.)
How many older superhero characters are there for women? Hasn't both Halle Berry & Rebecca Romijn played superheroes in their late 30s & 40s. I think both can still play the part. Isn't Amy Adams continuing with Lois Lane in her late 30s?
Is there a role for Rebel Wilson to play in comics (besides her role in Ghost Rider)? Doesn't the comic book source material dictate more what age & look its heroines get played?
Hank will be made as an older man, but how physically demanding will his role be? Affleck is playing Batman at age 41 because they want to replicate the DKR feels without making him geriatric.
This does play into another thread about who should be in a female Expendables movie.
Super strength doesn't always mean super muscles and comic proportions are unrealistic anyway. There are more ways than large size to be intimidating.
I completely agree with that, but supposedly this is just a cameo role. She theoretically won't have much screen time with which to make an impact. And who knows if she’ll even be in an action scene? Size and muscle tone would be a visual shortcut to establish that she is a force to be reckoned with.
And couldn’t her beauty (because she is definitely gorgeous) be construed as sending the wrong message as much as her body shape? “Only a supermodel can be a Wonder Woman”? People can turn just about anything into a negative.
I agree, as I said earlier, that attitude and confidence can go a long way in how she comes across. But I don’t know why surgery was brought into the discussion. I'm just talking about using camera tricks to make her seem a little taller than she is—something that is done all the time in Hollywood—and adding some mass to her frame (and I'm sure she’s on some kind of physical training regimine), as she has a rather thin body type. Just simple tricks that can improve the overall presentation.
I can agree with the bulk of this post, except for the center paragraph. I think there is a generally more accepted reception to beauty verses big tits. I think the boob size plays more into sexual fantasies. I would theorize if the extract same porn scene was shot once with an ugly big boobed woman & once with a flat chested beautiful woman, the big boobs would get more hits.
Plus, I don't recall hearing people complaining guys like DJ Qualls aren't cast as Superman, Bond, or a Greek God.
M
Well, Gadot is a fashion model, and she was Miss Israel in the 2004 Miss Universe pageant. There is all kinds of controversy surrounding both the modeling industry and beauty pageants and how they define what it means to be beautiful. That’s what I'm talking about.
As for your Qualls comment, men have never been held to the same high standards of beauty or been objectified even remotely to the level women have. With only a few exceptions, women in Hollywood have a much shorter shelf life than men do when it comes to certain types of roles.
Just look at the superhero roles. Christian Bale is 39 (31 when first cast as Batman), Ben Affleck is 41, Mark Ruffalo is 46, and Robert Downey Jr. is 48. Meanwhile Scarlet Johansson is 29, Gadot is 28, and Anne Hathaway is 31. Michelle Pfeiffer was 34 when she played Catwoman, but that was probably her last “young” role.
This is the reason for most of the complaints about the lack of diversity (in terms of looks) when it comes to women’s roles in the film industry.
Besides which, with all the hullabaloo with Depp (age 50, by the way) possibly being Dr. Strange, and Affleck being Batman, you don’t think there would be outrage over Qualls being cast as Superman? Man, some people are riled up over Michael Douglas being Hank Pym.
(Qualls for Plastic Man, anyone?)
I think that's a generalization. I certainly don't define beauty by models & pageants. I think people who do are very superficial (and more then likely have zero shot with either.)
How many older superhero characters are there for women? Hasn't both Halle Berry & Rebecca Romijn played superheroes in their late 30s & 40s. I think both can still play the part. Isn't Amy Adams continuing with Lois Lane in her late 30s?
Is there a role for Rebel Wilson to play in comics (besides her role in Ghost Rider)? Doesn't the comic book source material dictate more what age & look its heroines get played?
Hank will be made as an older man, but how physically demanding will his role be? Affleck is playing Batman at age 41 because they want to replicate the DKR feels without making him geriatric.
This does play into another thread about who should be in a female Expendables movie.
Oh, and DJ Qualls for Beast Boy.
M
Of course it’s a generalization. That’s exactly my point. I don’t define beauty by the same standards the model industry and beauty pageants do either. A lot of people don’t. But in general, that’s what people tend to do.
Of course there are exceptions. But in general, once an actress hits her late 30s, the roles she is offered become much more limited than the roles offered to men in their late 30s.
Oh, and Berry was 34 when she was first cast in X-Men, but there is even less diversity when it comes to black women’s roles. Who else were they going to get? I guess they could replace her with Cynthia Addai-Robinson now—oh, wait, she’s currently playing a skinny Amanda Waller on Arrow. And Romijn was only 28 when she was cast in X-Men.
And the more I think about it, Qualls should be Ralph Dibny.
That could actually be really interesting. Plastic man was for some reason connected to Bruce Campbell in my head though...kinda hard not to see it now isn't it?
Super strength doesn't always mean super muscles and comic proportions are unrealistic anyway. There are more ways than large size to be intimidating.
I completely agree with that, but supposedly this is just a cameo role. She theoretically won't have much screen time with which to make an impact. And who knows if she’ll even be in an action scene? Size and muscle tone would be a visual shortcut to establish that she is a force to be reckoned with.
And couldn’t her beauty (because she is definitely gorgeous) be construed as sending the wrong message as much as her body shape? “Only a supermodel can be a Wonder Woman”? People can turn just about anything into a negative.
I agree, as I said earlier, that attitude and confidence can go a long way in how she comes across. But I don’t know why surgery was brought into the discussion. I'm just talking about using camera tricks to make her seem a little taller than she is—something that is done all the time in Hollywood—and adding some mass to her frame (and I'm sure she’s on some kind of physical training regimine), as she has a rather thin body type. Just simple tricks that can improve the overall presentation.
I can agree with the bulk of this post, except for the center paragraph. I think there is a generally more accepted reception to beauty verses big tits. I think the boob size plays more into sexual fantasies. I would theorize if the extract same porn scene was shot once with an ugly big boobed woman & once with a flat chested beautiful woman, the big boobs would get more hits.
Plus, I don't recall hearing people complaining guys like DJ Qualls aren't cast as Superman, Bond, or a Greek God.
M
Well, Gadot is a fashion model, and she was Miss Israel in the 2004 Miss Universe pageant. There is all kinds of controversy surrounding both the modeling industry and beauty pageants and how they define what it means to be beautiful. That’s what I'm talking about.
As for your Qualls comment, men have never been held to the same high standards of beauty or been objectified even remotely to the level women have. With only a few exceptions, women in Hollywood have a much shorter shelf life than men do when it comes to certain types of roles.
Just look at the superhero roles. Christian Bale is 39 (31 when first cast as Batman), Ben Affleck is 41, Mark Ruffalo is 46, and Robert Downey Jr. is 48. Meanwhile Scarlet Johansson is 29, Gadot is 28, and Anne Hathaway is 31. Michelle Pfeiffer was 34 when she played Catwoman, but that was probably her last “young” role.
This is the reason for most of the complaints about the lack of diversity (in terms of looks) when it comes to women’s roles in the film industry.
Besides which, with all the hullabaloo with Depp (age 50, by the way) possibly being Dr. Strange, and Affleck being Batman, you don’t think there would be outrage over Qualls being cast as Superman? Man, some people are riled up over Michael Douglas being Hank Pym.
(Qualls for Plastic Man, anyone?)
I think that's a generalization. I certainly don't define beauty by models & pageants. I think people who do are very superficial (and more then likely have zero shot with either.)
How many older superhero characters are there for women? Hasn't both Halle Berry & Rebecca Romijn played superheroes in their late 30s & 40s. I think both can still play the part. Isn't Amy Adams continuing with Lois Lane in her late 30s?
Is there a role for Rebel Wilson to play in comics (besides her role in Ghost Rider)? Doesn't the comic book source material dictate more what age & look its heroines get played?
Hank will be made as an older man, but how physically demanding will his role be? Affleck is playing Batman at age 41 because they want to replicate the DKR feels without making him geriatric.
This does play into another thread about who should be in a female Expendables movie.
Oh, and DJ Qualls for Beast Boy.
M
Of course it’s a generalization. That’s exactly my point. I don’t define beauty by the same standards the model industry and beauty pageants do either. A lot of people don’t. But in general, that’s what people tend to do.
Of course there are exceptions. But in general, once an actress hits her late 30s, the roles she is offered become much more limited than the roles offered to men in their late 30s.
Oh, and Berry was 34 when she was first cast in X-Men, but there is even less diversity when it comes to black women’s roles. Who else were they going to get? I guess they could replace her with Cynthia Addai-Robinson now—oh, wait, she’s currently playing a skinny Amanda Waller on Arrow. And Romijn was only 28 when she was cast in X-Men.
And the more I think about it, Qualls should be Ralph Dibny.
Yeah, both Romijn cameoed in First Class & Berry will be playing a role in DOFP. She was technically cast as Catwoman at age 38 also.
I'm not saying guys in their later years aren't still getting meater roles, but Sandra Bullock, Julianne Moore, Judi Dench are older women still getting roles. To some extent, we could point blame, comic-wise, to there really not being a heroine character that looks 30/40 something. They mostly seem to be portrayed in comics as 20/30 something.
Super strength doesn't always mean super muscles and comic proportions are unrealistic anyway. There are more ways than large size to be intimidating.
I completely agree with that, but supposedly this is just a cameo role. She theoretically won't have much screen time with which to make an impact. And who knows if she’ll even be in an action scene? Size and muscle tone would be a visual shortcut to establish that she is a force to be reckoned with.
And couldn’t her beauty (because she is definitely gorgeous) be construed as sending the wrong message as much as her body shape? “Only a supermodel can be a Wonder Woman”? People can turn just about anything into a negative.
I agree, as I said earlier, that attitude and confidence can go a long way in how she comes across. But I don’t know why surgery was brought into the discussion. I'm just talking about using camera tricks to make her seem a little taller than she is—something that is done all the time in Hollywood—and adding some mass to her frame (and I'm sure she’s on some kind of physical training regimine), as she has a rather thin body type. Just simple tricks that can improve the overall presentation.
I can agree with the bulk of this post, except for the center paragraph. I think there is a generally more accepted reception to beauty verses big tits. I think the boob size plays more into sexual fantasies. I would theorize if the extract same porn scene was shot once with an ugly big boobed woman & once with a flat chested beautiful woman, the big boobs would get more hits.
Plus, I don't recall hearing people complaining guys like DJ Qualls aren't cast as Superman, Bond, or a Greek God.
M
Well, Gadot is a fashion model, and she was Miss Israel in the 2004 Miss Universe pageant. There is all kinds of controversy surrounding both the modeling industry and beauty pageants and how they define what it means to be beautiful. That’s what I'm talking about.
As for your Qualls comment, men have never been held to the same high standards of beauty or been objectified even remotely to the level women have. With only a few exceptions, women in Hollywood have a much shorter shelf life than men do when it comes to certain types of roles.
Just look at the superhero roles. Christian Bale is 39 (31 when first cast as Batman), Ben Affleck is 41, Mark Ruffalo is 46, and Robert Downey Jr. is 48. Meanwhile Scarlet Johansson is 29, Gadot is 28, and Anne Hathaway is 31. Michelle Pfeiffer was 34 when she played Catwoman, but that was probably her last “young” role.
This is the reason for most of the complaints about the lack of diversity (in terms of looks) when it comes to women’s roles in the film industry.
Besides which, with all the hullabaloo with Depp (age 50, by the way) possibly being Dr. Strange, and Affleck being Batman, you don’t think there would be outrage over Qualls being cast as Superman? Man, some people are riled up over Michael Douglas being Hank Pym.
(Qualls for Plastic Man, anyone?)
I think that's a generalization. I certainly don't define beauty by models & pageants. I think people who do are very superficial (and more then likely have zero shot with either.)
How many older superhero characters are there for women? Hasn't both Halle Berry & Rebecca Romijn played superheroes in their late 30s & 40s. I think both can still play the part. Isn't Amy Adams continuing with Lois Lane in her late 30s?
Is there a role for Rebel Wilson to play in comics (besides her role in Ghost Rider)? Doesn't the comic book source material dictate more what age & look its heroines get played?
Hank will be made as an older man, but how physically demanding will his role be? Affleck is playing Batman at age 41 because they want to replicate the DKR feels without making him geriatric.
This does play into another thread about who should be in a female Expendables movie.
Oh, and DJ Qualls for Beast Boy.
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Of course it’s a generalization. That’s exactly my point. I don’t define beauty by the same standards the model industry and beauty pageants do either. A lot of people don’t. But in general, that’s what people tend to do.
Of course there are exceptions. But in general, once an actress hits her late 30s, the roles she is offered become much more limited than the roles offered to men in their late 30s.
Oh, and Berry was 34 when she was first cast in X-Men, but there is even less diversity when it comes to black women’s roles. Who else were they going to get? I guess they could replace her with Cynthia Addai-Robinson now—oh, wait, she’s currently playing a skinny Amanda Waller on Arrow. And Romijn was only 28 when she was cast in X-Men.
And the more I think about it, Qualls should be Ralph Dibny.
Yeah, both Romijn cameoed in First Class & Berry will be playing a role in DOFP. She was technically cast as Catwoman at age 38 also.
I'm not saying guys in their later years aren't still getting meater roles, but Sandra Bullock, Julianne Moore, Judi Dench are older women still getting roles. To some extent, we could point blame, comic-wise, to there really not being a heroine character that looks 30/40 something. They mostly seem to be portrayed in comics as 20/30 something.
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Romijn was reprising a role, so I don’t know that that really counts. Berry as Catwoman goes back to my statement regarding the casting of black women.
Yes, there are some older women getting roles—but usually only when the script specifically calls for an older woman. Meanwhile older men often get roles that could just as easily have gone to a young man. That’s the difference.
Yes, superheroines typically are portrayed in comics as being in their 20s and 30s. So are their male counterparts. Tony Stark is not portrayed as a 48-year-old in the comics (at least he wasn’t the last time I checked). Yet everyone, myself included, agrees that Downey Jr. is the perfect actor to play him on the big screen. On the other side, 48-year old Diane Lane is playing Ma Kent, not Mera.
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Watching the behind the scenes footage of Faora (or however the female villain's name is spelled in Man of Steel) she started out very lean and by the time they were done stil still was, but had definitely started looking much much stronger.
I'm not saying the actress needs to be 6' 5", or even 6' 0" (although if they can make Tom Cruise look taller than all his leading ladies, it should be no trouble to make a WW actress look taller than she is), but I think she does need to look physically intimidating if she’s to be believable in a world as dark and violent as Snyder and Nolan have created.
I just like the idea of Wonder Woman being able to make “tough guys” shake in their boots by merely walking into the room.
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That being said, as a fellow Marylander, I fully support her being in the DC Movie Universe somewhere. Like Supergirl/woman
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And she has an inside track as she happens to be dating Superman right now...
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And couldn’t her beauty (because she is definitely gorgeous) be construed as sending the wrong message as much as her body shape? “Only a supermodel can be a Wonder Woman”? People can turn just about anything into a negative.
I agree, as I said earlier, that attitude and confidence can go a long way in how she comes across. But I don’t know why surgery was brought into the discussion. I'm just talking about using camera tricks to make her seem a little taller than she is—something that is done all the time in Hollywood—and adding some mass to her frame (and I'm sure she’s on some kind of physical training regimine), as she has a rather thin body type. Just simple tricks that can improve the overall presentation.
Plus, I don't recall hearing people complaining guys like DJ Qualls aren't cast as Superman, Bond, or a Greek God.
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As for your Qualls comment, men have never been held to the same high standards of beauty or been objectified even remotely to the level women have. With only a few exceptions, women in Hollywood have a much shorter shelf life than men do when it comes to certain types of roles.
Just look at the superhero roles. Christian Bale is 39 (31 when first cast as Batman), Ben Affleck is 41, Mark Ruffalo is 46, and Robert Downey Jr. is 48. Meanwhile Scarlet Johansson is 29, Gadot is 28, and Anne Hathaway is 31. Michelle Pfeiffer was 34 when she played Catwoman, but that was probably her last “young” role.
This is the reason for most of the complaints about the lack of diversity (in terms of looks) when it comes to women’s roles in the film industry.
Besides which, with all the hullabaloo with Depp (age 50, by the way) possibly being Dr. Strange, and Affleck being Batman, you don’t think there would be outrage over Qualls being cast as Superman? Man, some people are riled up over Michael Douglas being Hank Pym.
(Qualls for Plastic Man, anyone?)
How many older superhero characters are there for women? Hasn't both Halle Berry & Rebecca Romijn played superheroes in their late 30s & 40s. I think both can still play the part. Isn't Amy Adams continuing with Lois Lane in her late 30s?
Is there a role for Rebel Wilson to play in comics (besides her role in Ghost Rider)? Doesn't the comic book source material dictate more what age & look its heroines get played?
Hank will be made as an older man, but how physically demanding will his role be? Affleck is playing Batman at age 41 because they want to replicate the DKR feels without making him geriatric.
This does play into another thread about who should be in a female Expendables movie.
Oh, and DJ Qualls for Beast Boy.
M
Of course there are exceptions. But in general, once an actress hits her late 30s, the roles she is offered become much more limited than the roles offered to men in their late 30s.
Oh, and Berry was 34 when she was first cast in X-Men, but there is even less diversity when it comes to black women’s roles. Who else were they going to get? I guess they could replace her with Cynthia Addai-Robinson now—oh, wait, she’s currently playing a skinny Amanda Waller on Arrow. And Romijn was only 28 when she was cast in X-Men.
And the more I think about it, Qualls should be Ralph Dibny.
I'm not saying guys in their later years aren't still getting meater roles, but Sandra Bullock, Julianne Moore, Judi Dench are older women still getting roles. To some extent, we could point blame, comic-wise, to there really not being a heroine character that looks 30/40 something. They mostly seem to be portrayed in comics as 20/30 something.
M
Yes, there are some older women getting roles—but usually only when the script specifically calls for an older woman. Meanwhile older men often get roles that could just as easily have gone to a young man. That’s the difference.
Yes, superheroines typically are portrayed in comics as being in their 20s and 30s. So are their male counterparts. Tony Stark is not portrayed as a 48-year-old in the comics (at least he wasn’t the last time I checked). Yet everyone, myself included, agrees that Downey Jr. is the perfect actor to play him on the big screen. On the other side, 48-year old Diane Lane is playing Ma Kent, not Mera.
http://variety.com/2014/film/news/superm-1201062720/