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Episode 1482 Talkback - Top Five Comic Book Movies (Redux)

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  • hauberkhauberk Posts: 1,511
    Superhero (in no particular order):

    Dark Knight
    Superman II
    Avengers
    Captain America: First Avenger
    Mystery Men

    Honorable mention to Batman (Tim Burton), Watchmen and Iron Man

    Non-Superhero:

    Akira
    Road to Perdition
    Hellboy
    Dredd
    Rocketeer

    Honorable mention to Surrogates, Oblivion and Heavy Metal.

    This now has me thinking about other fun Top 5s

    Top 5 Movie related comics (movie came first) (Dark Horse's first Aliens vs Predator would be way up on my list along with the first NOW Terminator series).

    Top 5 Licensed comics (ROM and Micronauts are both on my list).
  • JDickJDick Posts: 206
    mwhitt80 said:

    Corwin said:

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    While probably somewhere in my top 25 my guilty pleasure would be Constatine. Yes Constatine. There is something about that movie that I just like. I will play it for background noise.

    I'm with you Corwin. I'd also like to add a Speed Racer to honrable mentions and not just for Jamie D. Speed Racer is just a fun film that I enjoy popping on in the background.
    Speed Racer stinks but Jonah Hex is the worst though. Just a huge mess of a movie.
  • luckymustardluckymustard Posts: 927
    hauberk said:

    Superhero (in no particular order):

    Dark Knight
    Superman II
    Avengers
    Captain America: First Avenger
    Mystery Men

    Honorable mention to Batman (Tim Burton), Watchmen and Iron Man

    Non-Superhero:

    Akira
    Road to Perdition
    Hellboy
    Dredd
    Rocketeer

    Honorable mention to Surrogates, Oblivion and Heavy Metal.

    This now has me thinking about other fun Top 5s

    Top 5 Movie related comics (movie came first) (Dark Horse's first Aliens vs Predator would be way up on my list along with the first NOW Terminator series).

    Top 5 Licensed comics (ROM and Micronauts are both on my list).

    Hellboy, Dredd, and Rocketeer aren't superheroes?
  • hauberkhauberk Posts: 1,511

    hauberk said:

    Superhero (in no particular order):

    Dark Knight
    Superman II
    Avengers
    Captain America: First Avenger
    Mystery Men

    Honorable mention to Batman (Tim Burton), Watchmen and Iron Man

    Non-Superhero:

    Akira
    Road to Perdition
    Hellboy
    Dredd
    Rocketeer

    Honorable mention to Surrogates, Oblivion and Heavy Metal.

    This now has me thinking about other fun Top 5s

    Top 5 Movie related comics (movie came first) (Dark Horse's first Aliens vs Predator would be way up on my list along with the first NOW Terminator series).

    Top 5 Licensed comics (ROM and Micronauts are both on my list).

    Hellboy, Dredd, and Rocketeer aren't superheroes?
    I suppose that you could make the argument but I'm looking at other things.

    Hellboy has the whole Cthulhu mythos-y mysticism thing so it's, for me, more of the supernatural genre.

    Rocketeer is all pulp. It's also a character that isn't inherently heroic. His primary motivation is Jenny. Granted, he wears a mask, but substitute the jet pack for a whip and he's pure pulp.

    Dredd is crime action. He's a superhero the way most Arnie characters from the 80s are superheroes.
  • luckymustardluckymustard Posts: 927
    hauberk said:

    hauberk said:

    Superhero (in no particular order):

    Dark Knight
    Superman II
    Avengers
    Captain America: First Avenger
    Mystery Men

    Honorable mention to Batman (Tim Burton), Watchmen and Iron Man

    Non-Superhero:

    Akira
    Road to Perdition
    Hellboy
    Dredd
    Rocketeer

    Honorable mention to Surrogates, Oblivion and Heavy Metal.

    This now has me thinking about other fun Top 5s

    Top 5 Movie related comics (movie came first) (Dark Horse's first Aliens vs Predator would be way up on my list along with the first NOW Terminator series).

    Top 5 Licensed comics (ROM and Micronauts are both on my list).

    Hellboy, Dredd, and Rocketeer aren't superheroes?
    I suppose that you could make the argument but I'm looking at other things.

    Hellboy has the whole Cthulhu mythos-y mysticism thing so it's, for me, more of the supernatural genre.

    Rocketeer is all pulp. It's also a character that isn't inherently heroic. His primary motivation is Jenny. Granted, he wears a mask, but substitute the jet pack for a whip and he's pure pulp.

    Dredd is crime action. He's a superhero the way most Arnie characters from the 80s are superheroes.
    I certainly understand those aspects of those characters, but as far as I'm concerned I would categorize them as non-traditional superheroes.

    They contain the "super" aspect of the term more than Batman does, while they're less "hero", in the traditional sense, than Batman is.
  • hauberkhauberk Posts: 1,511

    hauberk said:

    hauberk said:

    Superhero (in no particular order):

    Dark Knight
    Superman II
    Avengers
    Captain America: First Avenger
    Mystery Men

    Honorable mention to Batman (Tim Burton), Watchmen and Iron Man

    Non-Superhero:

    Akira
    Road to Perdition
    Hellboy
    Dredd
    Rocketeer

    Honorable mention to Surrogates, Oblivion and Heavy Metal.

    This now has me thinking about other fun Top 5s

    Top 5 Movie related comics (movie came first) (Dark Horse's first Aliens vs Predator would be way up on my list along with the first NOW Terminator series).

    Top 5 Licensed comics (ROM and Micronauts are both on my list).

    Hellboy, Dredd, and Rocketeer aren't superheroes?
    I suppose that you could make the argument but I'm looking at other things.

    Hellboy has the whole Cthulhu mythos-y mysticism thing so it's, for me, more of the supernatural genre.

    Rocketeer is all pulp. It's also a character that isn't inherently heroic. His primary motivation is Jenny. Granted, he wears a mask, but substitute the jet pack for a whip and he's pure pulp.

    Dredd is crime action. He's a superhero the way most Arnie characters from the 80s are superheroes.
    I certainly understand those aspects of those characters, but as far as I'm concerned I would categorize them as non-traditional superheroes.

    They contain the "super" aspect of the term more than Batman does, while they're less "hero", in the traditional sense, than Batman is.
    I can see that perspective, and certainly Batman is the rub In some areas. I think that my point is that while they may be super, they're not heroes. In all three cases, their motivations don't follow the right vein. Dredd might even qualify as an anti-hero, given his blind dedication to the Law.
  • hauberkhauberk Posts: 1,511
    Still listening to the episode.

    WRT Xmen United, I considered putting it on the list, and certainly it would fall in the honorable mention category. It's definitely the best of the original three Xmen movies, but I will differ from what appears to be the majority of the Geeks in that I felt that the increased Storm role and Anna Paquin's Rogue were weak spots. More screen time for Halle Berry just meant more of what I thought was a flat, uninspired portrayal and Paquin's constant look of breathless awe doesn't seem to have changed since she won everyone's hearts with the same performance for her surprised acceptance of an award for the Piano.
  • KilmarockKilmarock Posts: 174
    Great discussion!

    Here are my favorites listed in alphabetical order:
    - American Splendor
    - Avengers
    - Batman (1989)
    - Blade
    - Crow
    - Iron Man

    Animated Favorites (also in alphabetical order)
    - Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker
    - Incredibles
    - Justice League: Starcrossed

  • I have not started listening to the episode yet, but I always like to throw in my list before I listen so that I am not influenced by what you guys say.

    My list is based solely on movies that came from a comic book origin and not movies that they eventually did comic books of or toys that they did movie and comic books of. So these movies have their origin in a comic book property first.

    1) Avengers
    2) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    3) The Dark Knight
    4) Iron Man
    5) X-Men: Days of Future Past

    Honorable mentions: Superman II, Man of Steel, Batman (1989), Captain America: The First Avenger, X2, Amazing Spider-Man

    I know I have a lot of recent movies on my list, but they have just been THAT GOOD!

    I know I might be jinxing myself, but I am anticipating that Guardians of the Galaxy will make my top 5 list. I know I have high hopes, but nothing has dismayed me from thinking otherwise.
  • JDickJDick Posts: 206
    hauberk said:

    Still listening to the episode.

    WRT Xmen United, I considered putting it on the list, and certainly it would fall in the honorable mention category. It's definitely the best of the original three Xmen movies, but I will differ from what appears to be the majority of the Geeks in that I felt that the increased Storm role and Anna Paquin's Rogue were weak spots. More screen time for Halle Berry just meant more of what I thought was a flat, uninspired portrayal and Paquin's constant look of breathless awe doesn't seem to have changed since she won everyone's hearts with the same performance for her surprised acceptance of an award for the Piano.

    After using Rogue as basically a plot point in the first X Men they really never knew what to do with her in the sequels. She is barely in the third one.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    JDick said:

    hauberk said:

    Still listening to the episode.

    WRT Xmen United, I considered putting it on the list, and certainly it would fall in the honorable mention category. It's definitely the best of the original three Xmen movies, but I will differ from what appears to be the majority of the Geeks in that I felt that the increased Storm role and Anna Paquin's Rogue were weak spots. More screen time for Halle Berry just meant more of what I thought was a flat, uninspired portrayal and Paquin's constant look of breathless awe doesn't seem to have changed since she won everyone's hearts with the same performance for her surprised acceptance of an award for the Piano.

    After using Rogue as basically a plot point in the first X Men they really never knew what to do with her in the sequels. She is barely in the third one.
    I recall reading somewhere Anna Paquin might have gotten a part in Superman Returns, so her role was reduced.

    M
  • hauberkhauberk Posts: 1,511
    JDick said:

    hauberk said:

    Still listening to the episode.

    WRT Xmen United, I considered putting it on the list, and certainly it would fall in the honorable mention category. It's definitely the best of the original three Xmen movies, but I will differ from what appears to be the majority of the Geeks in that I felt that the increased Storm role and Anna Paquin's Rogue were weak spots. More screen time for Halle Berry just meant more of what I thought was a flat, uninspired portrayal and Paquin's constant look of breathless awe doesn't seem to have changed since she won everyone's hearts with the same performance for her surprised acceptance of an award for the Piano.

    After using Rogue as basically a plot point in the first X Men they really never knew what to do with her in the sequels. She is barely in the third one.
    That may well be it, but I just didn't find her to be at all convincing and for X2 she and Halle Berry actually served as deterrents to me in paying full price to see it.
  • bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967
    hauberk said:

    JDick said:

    hauberk said:

    Still listening to the episode.

    WRT Xmen United, I considered putting it on the list, and certainly it would fall in the honorable mention category. It's definitely the best of the original three Xmen movies, but I will differ from what appears to be the majority of the Geeks in that I felt that the increased Storm role and Anna Paquin's Rogue were weak spots. More screen time for Halle Berry just meant more of what I thought was a flat, uninspired portrayal and Paquin's constant look of breathless awe doesn't seem to have changed since she won everyone's hearts with the same performance for her surprised acceptance of an award for the Piano.

    After using Rogue as basically a plot point in the first X Men they really never knew what to do with her in the sequels. She is barely in the third one.
    That may well be it, but I just didn't find her to be at all convincing and for X2 she and Halle Berry actually served as deterrents to me in paying full price to see it.
    I was never a fan of the casting for the female leads in the earlier Xfilms. Paquin was never a draw for me. She's a fantastic actress, but she never convinced me that she was a strong character as the comics version of Rogue is. Plus, her southern accent was abhorrent. I was also never convinced Halle Berry was Storm. The effects around her seemed too fake while she never convinced me that she was Ororo. I think her character should have been played by an unknown as her white hair and her familiar face kept me from suspending my disbelief. Finally, even Famke Janssen, while also a great actress, just seemed too old to play Jean. She was all of 38 years old when X-2 came out. Jean always seemed much younger in the comics - late twenties at the most.
  • CorwinCorwin Posts: 549
    Elsiebub said:


    I saw that for the first time like a year ago. I had always heard horrible things about it and was prepared for the worst... but it wasn't really bad at all. If I were more of a fan of the character -- I *like* John Constantine quite a bit, but I don't have personal attachment to him -- then I could see where the very idea of Keanu Reeves playing him would be an affront. But I think he did an okay job and it was a very decent movie. I've heard that it kind of has a cult following (mostly amongst people who were NOT already fans of the comics, I would assume), and I can sort of see why. Still wouldn't say it was a "very good movie" or anything like that, but I don't think it deserves much hate. The worst I can say about it is that it COULD have been better if they followed the early Delano comics more. But it was still fun enough and very watchable, I thought.

    JDick said:

    I do think that Rachel Weisz is stunning though.

    Yeah, she is just class.
    I was actually a fan of Hellblazer for a long time but fell off.
  • ChrisBeckettChrisBeckett Posts: 535
    hauberk said:



    This now has me thinking about other fun Top 5s

    Top 5 Movie related comics (movie came first) (Dark Horse's first Aliens vs Predator would be way up on my list along with the first NOW Terminator series).

    Those are two of my favorite movie related comics. Great stuff, and that would be a fun episode.

    chris

  • ChrisBeckettChrisBeckett Posts: 535
    I'm not here as often as I used to be, but a top 5 is (almost) always guaranteed to bring me out of the woodwork. My Top 5, in reverse order (and note: other than my #5, I've not seen a comic-related movie since 2008 - due to time and other films rising to the top when I do find the time to watch one):

    5. Dredd - this was a great action film; it really seemed to get the Dredd concept; and Karl Urban was fantastic in the title role. It reminded me of the movies I used to gorge myself on when I was younger.

    4. A History of Violence - Cronenberg & Mortensen. 'nuff said. Though maybe a bit on the screenplay by Josh Olson would be appropriate. I liked how he changed the film from the book, and it worked better for me. Plus, Olson manages to include sex scenes that actually relate to the narrative and reveal something about the characters essential to the story - a rare feat, that.

    3. American Splendor - before this came out, I wondered how they would pull it off and whether they actually could. They did. Seriously, what they achieved translating Pekar's stories onto the screen is pretty amazing. Such a good film.

    2. The Crow - Saw it in theaters and have rewatched it many times over the years. Again, the filmmakers managed to create a great film that stands on its own, but also manages to smartly translate the comic, infusing it with the emotion and flavor of the book without slavishly adapting it (this point would be my issue with Sin City, though a technically well done movie, and one that I enjoyed seeing in the theater, the dialogue falls flat in many places because it really only works on the comic page)

    1. Superman: the Movie - for all the reasons mentioned on the episode. I love the Kansas scenes; I love the flying scenes; I love the use of turning the Earth backward to turn back time (it's stupid and unreal, but I felt it very in keeping with the comic book genetics of the film).

    HONORABLE MENTIONS:
    - Road to Perdition
    - Akira
    - Hellboy
    - The Incredibles

    chris
  • If I went with any movie that was also a comic book at one time (did not originate as a comic book) then my list looks pretty different. It would be:

    1) Star Wars (the original trilogy....I did not separate them because I love them all and they would take up 3 spots in my top 5 if I did)
    2) Indiana Jones (the original trilogy (not Crystal Skull) and I didn't separate them for the same reason I didn't do that with Star Wars)
    3) Avengers
    4) Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    5) Ghostbusters (just the first movie. I like the 2nd movie, but it is not on par with the original)
  • reddogreddog Posts: 2
    Can't believe nobody mentioned Meteor Man. This was Superman for a whole community of people.
  • I agree 1000% with Chris on the show when he said that moment with Christopher Reeve takes his glasses off through to the point where he puts them back on is just some great acting because so much was conveyed in the body language. It really did show what a great actor he was.

    I'm shocked no one mentioned the classic line from the Superman movie....the one that can never be forgotten....."That's a bad outfit!!"
  • NickNick Posts: 284
    I think a lot of the top 5's were what I expected (and a lot of what I would pick), but I was really stoked when people talked about TMNT, Ghostworld, Dick Tracy, and the Phantom. I saw all those movies but sort of forgot they were comic book movies. Netflix queue updated!
  • kiwijasekiwijase Posts: 451

    I agree 1000% with Chris on the show when he said that moment with Christopher Reeve takes his glasses off through to the point where he puts them back on is just some great acting because so much was conveyed in the body language. It really did show what a great actor he was.

    I'm shocked no one mentioned the classic line from the Superman movie....the one that can never be forgotten....."That's a bad outfit!!"

    My two favourite Superman lines come from Gene Hackmans Luthor.

    About Otis; "It's amazing that brain of his can generate enough power to keep those legs moving."

    And his response to Supes breaking down his huge metal door; "It's open. Come in."
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