Even in the comics Fury is always putting together some sort of special back up plan teams. Like during the Skrull invasion he assembled his team of new heroes that the Skrulls wouldn't know about. This is a small strike force of people all with different skill sets.
Fitz-Engineer, he'll be the one with the gadgets Simmons-Biotech, she'll be the medic plus helping with the aliens and such Skye-Hacker, she's the one with the computer skills the other two only know about their certain fields and looks like she'll be the one that will think outside of the box
Ward-Specialist, he's the one that does most of the heavy lifting May-Cavalry, she's the one that is the cavalry when Ward can't get the job done, plus pilot
Coulson-He's everything else, also principal at midtown high so his plate is full
Didn't they use the raft to plug a whole in Jackson's snakes on a plane movie? I know there was a raft to block the snakes but I was thinking it blocked the hole at the end.
The show is still light on characterization and purpose. Even in the episode they question why those particular people were brought together and what each brings to the table... And then didn't answer it!!! Either Fitz or Simmons could have been replaced by a cute robot and the effect would be the same. (I haven't even bothered learning which is which because they share every scene). Skye's only contribution is that she's
a double agent
Show/hide Ward is so stock it's boring, and Melinda May is such a blank slate that I don't care what her past is.
I like that it's reminiscent of 80's action shows like The A Team but let's stay plausible. Super-humans? Ok. Super-lasers? I'm with you. Super-rafts? No... Just no. Loved the cameo though.
The show is still light on characterization and purpose. Even in the episode they question why those particular people were brought together and what each brings to the table... And then didn't answer it!!! Either Fitz or Simmons could have been replaced by a cute robot and the effect would be the same. (I haven't even bothered learning which is which because they share every scene). Skye's only contribution is that she's
a double agent
Show/hide Ward is so stock it's boring, and Melinda May is such a blank slate that I don't care what her past is.
I like that it's reminiscent of 80's action shows like The A Team but let's stay plausible. Super-humans? Ok. Super-lasers? I'm with you. Super-rafts? No... Just no. Loved the cameo though.
You Said the A-Team! thats fantastic! I thought the same thing. I was loudly humming the A-Team theme last night while they were driving throught the jungle! I then swithced the Indiana Jones while they were in the cave! I liked this episiode more than the first and loved the cameo. the life raft was implausable at best but...I still enjoyed it.
Coulson - we love him from the movies but an enigmatic smile will only get you through so many episodes Ming Na's character - who was apparently Shield's black ops omac (the "Cavalry") back in the day and saw horrors you can't imagine...not that she'll ever talk about them. Fitz and Simmons - whotalkwaytoofasttobeunderstood and in occints yui'll nivah beh privvy tah if y'int alroidy from theah! Kitty Pryde/Terra - No not really but jesus...a raft? C'mon Whedon...kill her!!! Agent Bland - I don't know that I've ever cared any less about a character on TV since Danny Cooksey signed on to the cast of Different Strokes. Yeah, I went there...
I remain hopeful, but my hopes are not high at this point.
Basically, expands on how many people truly watch the first episode after including viewings on various On Demand services.... but also shows the second episode drop was 33%, which is so far the biggest drop between the first episode and second of the year.
Basically, expands on how many people truly watch the first episode after including viewings on various On Demand services.... but also shows the second episode drop was 33%, which is so far the biggest drop between the first episode and second of the year.
"In the days since it has been revealed that the number of people to have seen the pilot in the U.S. nearly doubled when DVR & VOD figures (+3.7 million viewers), online platforms (+1.6 million) and a Thursday night repeat (+4.6 million) brought the total up towards 22 million viewers."
As for the "SPOILER" warning on that video... not complaining, because it doesn't matter to me, but having that many spoilers followed by a huge freaking video image from Youtube doens't really help people who are trying to scroll through.
As for the "SPOILER" warning on that video... not complaining, because it doesn't matter to me, but having that many spoilers followed by a huge freaking video image from Youtube doens't really help people who are trying to scroll through.
As for the "SPOILER" warning on that video... not complaining, because it doesn't matter to me, but having that many spoilers followed by a huge freaking video image from Youtube doens't really help people who are trying to scroll through.
Indeed. I was mistaken. I should've simply provided a link.
@Planeis The ratings drop could be explained by the fact that it was opposite an episode of NCIS that featured the departure of a major cast member (You may not like the show, but lots of people do).
And, as a long-time member of Fandom, I am highly-trained in the art of coming up with rationalizations for the inconsistencies, irregularities, fallacies, plot holes and other bugaboos that appear in something of which I am a fan.
And, as a long-time member of Fandom, I am highly-trained in the art of coming up with rationalizations for the inconsistencies, irregularities, fallacies, plot holes and other bugaboos that appear in something of which I am a fan.
Where's my damn No-Prize?
I get that.
I just hope (and take this with the caveat that I haven't seen Ep 2 yet, so maybe they are headed in this direction) that they could not only clarify a little, so that the fans have to do less of the work. And I think there is story potential there, hints of it, that could be leveraged for drama-- if, indeed, Coulson is trying to put a friendly face on SHIELD, or even to have more hope for positive outcomes than some of his peers and bosses in the agency (e.g. talking down the human bomb to try to save him rather than just immediately shooting him in the head to turn off the threat) that could be interesting, but it would be better if he has to fight for that. To have to justify it. To be given a limited amount of time, let's say, to prove his methods and his sort of team right by generating enough successes to suggest that simply overwhelming every situation and disappearing threats into black sites is not the only way.
But, as of the first episode, I had to only imagine that was what they were going for. I didn't catch any of that justification on the screen. On the screen, it all just seemed like SHIELD from the movies had become more TV tone and budget friendly.
My other hope for improving the show would be if they send Skye to the past. Or the future. Or to limbo. Or to the blue area of the moon. Or to the CW.
My other hope for improving the show would be if they send Skye to the past. Or the future. Or to limbo. Or to the blue area of the moon. Or to the CW.
It's kind of shocking that a bunch of lifelong comic book fans aren't more forgiving of the first serious attempt to do a real Marvel Universe TV series.
It's kind of shocking that a bunch of lifelong comic book fans aren't more forgiving of the first serious attempt to do a real Marvel Universe TV series.
To be fair- it is coming from the same studio that gave us the Marvel movies, in combination with the network (and in-house production company) that gave us Lost, and it is run by the guy who did Buffy. So, while I agree that audiences should be in a forgiving mood for the first few episodes of ANY TV show while it finds its feet, I also get why people have their hopes up. It may be the first serious attempt at a Marvel TV show, but there are a lot of proven quantities involved, who are not new to what they are doing, you know what I mean?
Marvel is a name with a lot of cache right now. I want them (especially when it comes to things like casting and getting great people who might want to work for them in the movies) to throw that weight around a bit. And, at least to judge by the pilot, it still just felt like other TV.
It's kind of shocking that a bunch of lifelong comic book fans aren't more forgiving of the first serious attempt to do a real Marvel Universe TV series.
What are you talking about? They did The Incredible Hulk! Hell, Thor even showed up in that one!
*runs ducking thrown objects* :)
Seriously, you expect lifelong comic book fans to be MORE forgiving? :) If anything, we're going to hold this thing under a microscope and pore over every last detail until we can no longer appreciate the tree OR the forest!
For me personally, I'm enjoying it, but it needs to be better. It ought to be better, and I've just got this underlying feeling of "THIS is the best they could do?" The actors playing Skye and the head male agent (2 episodes in and I'm still not bothering to remember his name) are abysmally bad. I can dig why they were chosen...I'm not blind...but being pretty doesn't excuse poor acting ability (and it's not like this is Jane Austen's Agents of Shield here).
Fitz and Simmons (still don't know who's who but the girl's a cutie even if she went to the Denise Richards school of smile-acting) need to slow the dialogue the fuck down. You're Scottish, we get it...but if nobody can keep up with you they can't laugh at the joke. Let's let Simon Pegg be Simon Pegg, shall we?
Ming Na has said about four sentences in two episodes. So far that's made her the best actor on the show, because she hasn't had the chance to blather on in Whedon-esque fashion and remove all doubt like the other guys.
Coulson is of course holding the show together, but the enigmatic smile and "Tahiti is a magical place" are only going to go so far before I, personally, will no longer care. Whedon knows this, though. At least I hope he does...he's pretty good at stringing people along JUST enough to stop us from losing interest.
Two episodes in and you need a cameo to draw in interest? Not a good sign. And make no mistake, every promo I saw for episode 2 said...nay, commanded...that I stay for the end.
I say all this...and yet I'm watching the show. I'm enjoying it as a comic book fan who, yes, is happy to see an Agents of Shield tv show being made. I'm just stuck with the feeling that this could have been so much better than what we're getting, and that's the real problem.*
*I say this as someone who, if you put me in the director's chair, wouldn't have the first clue what to do except say "Action" and "I'll be in my trailer."
Whedon always plays a long game. Entire seasons are typically better than any individual episodes. Like Chris Eccleston's (not Joss, I know but the same principle) first (only) season of Doctor Who. The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
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Fitz-Engineer, he'll be the one with the gadgets
Simmons-Biotech, she'll be the medic plus helping with the aliens and such
Skye-Hacker, she's the one with the computer skills the other two only know about their certain fields and looks like she'll be the one that will think outside of the box
Ward-Specialist, he's the one that does most of the heavy lifting
May-Cavalry, she's the one that is the cavalry when Ward can't get the job done, plus pilot
Coulson-He's everything else, also principal at midtown high so his plate is full
Didn't they use the raft to plug a whole in Jackson's snakes on a plane movie? I know there was a raft to block the snakes but I was thinking it blocked the hole at the end.
And as always I loved it.
a double agent
Show/hide Ward is so stock it's boring, and Melinda May is such a blank slate that I don't care what her past is.
I like that it's reminiscent of 80's action shows like The A Team but let's stay plausible. Super-humans? Ok. Super-lasers? I'm with you. Super-rafts? No... Just no. Loved the cameo though.
Coulson - we love him from the movies but an enigmatic smile will only get you through so many episodes
Ming Na's character - who was apparently Shield's black ops omac (the "Cavalry") back in the day and saw horrors you can't imagine...not that she'll ever talk about them.
Fitz and Simmons - whotalkwaytoofasttobeunderstood and in occints yui'll nivah beh privvy tah if y'int alroidy from theah!
Kitty Pryde/Terra - No not really but jesus...a raft? C'mon Whedon...kill her!!!
Agent Bland - I don't know that I've ever cared any less about a character on TV since Danny Cooksey signed on to the cast of Different Strokes. Yeah, I went there...
I remain hopeful, but my hopes are not high at this point.
Basically, expands on how many people truly watch the first episode after including viewings on various On Demand services.... but also shows the second episode drop was 33%, which is so far the biggest drop between the first episode and second of the year.
I know they don't really count DVR's and downloads and all that stuff when determining ratings yet.
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Any bets on who the next familiar face will be that shows up?
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wouldn't necessarily have to have them see Coulson to be on the show, but I'd be glad if that was the last marvel cameo for a while
a whedonverse cameo i would be ok with though
As for the "SPOILER" warning on that video... not complaining, because it doesn't matter to me, but having that many spoilers followed by a huge freaking video image from Youtube doens't really help people who are trying to scroll through.
agreed
[edited] but now I need @Matt to do the same...
The ratings drop could be explained by the fact that it was opposite an episode of NCIS that featured the departure of a major cast member (You may not like the show, but lots of people do).
Laughed out loud, and I mean LOUD, at least five times.
And, as a long-time member of Fandom, I am highly-trained in the art of coming up with rationalizations for the inconsistencies, irregularities, fallacies, plot holes and other bugaboos that appear in something of which I am a fan.
Where's my damn No-Prize?
It was the five minutes of "rapid" decompression.
It's called "rapid decompression" for a reason.
A plane's cabin air is kept at a higher pressure that that of the atmosphere at altitude.
When the cabin is breached, the higher pressure air rushes our rapidly, REALLY RAPIDLY, as fast as it is able, and then the pressure is equalized.
And then the oxygen is really thin. REALLY. THIN. Hypoxia thin.
Wikipedia if you want it...
I just hope (and take this with the caveat that I haven't seen Ep 2 yet, so maybe they are headed in this direction) that they could not only clarify a little, so that the fans have to do less of the work. And I think there is story potential there, hints of it, that could be leveraged for drama-- if, indeed, Coulson is trying to put a friendly face on SHIELD, or even to have more hope for positive outcomes than some of his peers and bosses in the agency (e.g. talking down the human bomb to try to save him rather than just immediately shooting him in the head to turn off the threat) that could be interesting, but it would be better if he has to fight for that. To have to justify it. To be given a limited amount of time, let's say, to prove his methods and his sort of team right by generating enough successes to suggest that simply overwhelming every situation and disappearing threats into black sites is not the only way.
But, as of the first episode, I had to only imagine that was what they were going for. I didn't catch any of that justification on the screen. On the screen, it all just seemed like SHIELD from the movies had become more TV tone and budget friendly.
My other hope for improving the show would be if they send Skye to the past. Or the future. Or to limbo. Or to the blue area of the moon. Or to the CW.
Away. To send her. . . away.
"You took a bullet?"
"ish."
"Use a coaster!"
"I'm good at stuff, too."
"You're having a mid-life crisis."
"More... afterlife."
#PureNetworkTVBS
THAT'S AWESOME!
On the other hand we should be thankful Disney didn't push Dylan & Cole Sprouse into the Fitz & Simmons rolls.
It's kind of shocking that a bunch of lifelong comic book fans aren't more forgiving of the first serious attempt to do a real Marvel Universe TV series.
Spurious as the depressurization/raft thing was, it was set up nicely.
And a lot of the questions about the make-up and nature of the team were directly addressed in the episode.*
*Not answered, but addressed.
Marvel is a name with a lot of cache right now. I want them (especially when it comes to things like casting and getting great people who might want to work for them in the movies) to throw that weight around a bit. And, at least to judge by the pilot, it still just felt like other TV.
*runs ducking thrown objects* :)
Seriously, you expect lifelong comic book fans to be MORE forgiving? :) If anything, we're going to hold this thing under a microscope and pore over every last detail until we can no longer appreciate the tree OR the forest!
For me personally, I'm enjoying it, but it needs to be better. It ought to be better, and I've just got this underlying feeling of "THIS is the best they could do?" The actors playing Skye and the head male agent (2 episodes in and I'm still not bothering to remember his name) are abysmally bad. I can dig why they were chosen...I'm not blind...but being pretty doesn't excuse poor acting ability (and it's not like this is Jane Austen's Agents of Shield here).
Fitz and Simmons (still don't know who's who but the girl's a cutie even if she went to the Denise Richards school of smile-acting) need to slow the dialogue the fuck down. You're Scottish, we get it...but if nobody can keep up with you they can't laugh at the joke. Let's let Simon Pegg be Simon Pegg, shall we?
Ming Na has said about four sentences in two episodes. So far that's made her the best actor on the show, because she hasn't had the chance to blather on in Whedon-esque fashion and remove all doubt like the other guys.
Coulson is of course holding the show together, but the enigmatic smile and "Tahiti is a magical place" are only going to go so far before I, personally, will no longer care. Whedon knows this, though. At least I hope he does...he's pretty good at stringing people along JUST enough to stop us from losing interest.
Two episodes in and you need a cameo to draw in interest? Not a good sign. And make no mistake, every promo I saw for episode 2 said...nay, commanded...that I stay for the end.
I say all this...and yet I'm watching the show. I'm enjoying it as a comic book fan who, yes, is happy to see an Agents of Shield tv show being made. I'm just stuck with the feeling that this could have been so much better than what we're getting, and that's the real problem.*
*I say this as someone who, if you put me in the director's chair, wouldn't have the first clue what to do except say "Action" and "I'll be in my trailer."