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  • MarathonMarathon Posts: 308
    rebis said:

    DC's next gimmick is...making me disappear.

    Over the last 24 years there were long stretches where I was buying probably more than 80% of DC's monthly output. After Batman Inc and Dial H end, I'll be down to 1 comic from DC.

  • batlawbatlaw Posts: 879
    rebis said:

    DC's next gimmick is...making me disappear.

    Theyve been pulling that trick for a while now with me. It seems they just werent satisfied with me only giving up about 75-80% of their product I had been buying. Theyve seemed determined to force me away entirely. It was almost funny. Now I would swear they are down right daring me to quit. I may even be at a point where i can accept the challenge.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    luke52 said:

    I think the idea of villains month is quite a good one, it certainly feels in keeping with the New 52's feel i.e. trying to bring in new readers. This certainly feels aimed at giving people a chance to see what the villains of the nuDCU are all about.

    However, this is also quite obviously meant to be a cash cow to push their dollar share up. $3.99 a book is harsh, and I'm assuming they'll not be raising the page count with the price? But who knows, when the solicits come out, they may offer $2.99 versions of the books... But I doubt it.

    I'll get the Swamp Thing, Animal Man, Earth 2 and Justice League books, that's about it.

    Wasn't a Villains' month done a couple years ago? I believe it was called "New Years Evil."

    M
  • rebisrebis Posts: 1,820
    Marathon said:

    rebis said:

    DC's next gimmick is...making me disappear.

    Over the last 24 years there were long stretches where I was buying probably more than 80% of DC's monthly output. After Batman Inc and Dial H end, I'll be down to 1 comic from DC.

    I'm right there with you. However, I did sign up for Batman 66. When it shows up, I'll be back up to two titles.
  • MarathonMarathon Posts: 308
    Matt said:

    luke52 said:

    I think the idea of villains month is quite a good one, it certainly feels in keeping with the New 52's feel i.e. trying to bring in new readers. This certainly feels aimed at giving people a chance to see what the villains of the nuDCU are all about.

    However, this is also quite obviously meant to be a cash cow to push their dollar share up. $3.99 a book is harsh, and I'm assuming they'll not be raising the page count with the price? But who knows, when the solicits come out, they may offer $2.99 versions of the books... But I doubt it.

    I'll get the Swamp Thing, Animal Man, Earth 2 and Justice League books, that's about it.

    Wasn't a Villains' month done a couple years ago? I believe it was called "New Years Evil."

    M
    That was 8 one-shots in February 1998
    http://www.comicbookdb.com/storyarc.php?ID=563
  • The next gimmick is extending the time until price drops on digital to 8 weeks. Just got this back from Comixology this AM. So, no new DC books for me for a few weeks.

    JUN 05, 2013 | 10:31AM EDT
    Andrew replied:
    Thanks for the email!

    DC's price drops will now take place at 8 weeks after the book has been released. This change was just recently put into place at the beginning of May.

    If you have any questions at all, let us know.

    - Andrew
    JUN 05, 2013 | 10:11AM EDT
    Original message
    info wrote:

    Device: kindle
    Are DC Comics no longer dropping in price by one dollar after one month? I don't see the price drop in the store, even for issues that are over one
    month old.
  • Chuck_MelvilleChuck_Melville Posts: 3,003
    Marathon said:

    Matt said:

    luke52 said:

    I think the idea of villains month is quite a good one, it certainly feels in keeping with the New 52's feel i.e. trying to bring in new readers. This certainly feels aimed at giving people a chance to see what the villains of the nuDCU are all about.

    However, this is also quite obviously meant to be a cash cow to push their dollar share up. $3.99 a book is harsh, and I'm assuming they'll not be raising the page count with the price? But who knows, when the solicits come out, they may offer $2.99 versions of the books... But I doubt it.

    I'll get the Swamp Thing, Animal Man, Earth 2 and Justice League books, that's about it.

    Wasn't a Villains' month done a couple years ago? I believe it was called "New Years Evil."

    M
    That was 8 one-shots in February 1998
    http://www.comicbookdb.com/storyarc.php?ID=563
    Yeah, but they did do the Faces Of Evil month (and covers) just a few years back. It's just Deja Vu all over again.
  • mwhitt80mwhitt80 Posts: 4,637
    Well I guess this is a good enough reason to keep reading the trades. I just wish they had a better trade policy. I decided to switch all my hard covers over to trades, and I have no clue how they decide the printing schedule. It makes no sense. It's hard to stay excited about a title when it takes over a year to get a trade of 6 issues.

    Ohh well at least I have Knights of the Dinner Table (almost) every month. I just finished issue 198 (my exciting for 200 is going into overload).
  • WetRats said:

    Stunt covers.

    Smells like desperation.

    Is that what that smell is? Hunh.
  • Well, they tried Rob Leifield, gate fold covers, and now gimmick covers...

    I feel like I'm back in college, looking at the new releases at the comic store, and just shaking my head.
  • batlawbatlaw Posts: 879
    heres a crazy gimic that's just so crazy it might actually work... get talented writers and artist (truly talented), put them to work and basically leave them the fuck alone!.
  • luke52luke52 Posts: 1,392
    @Adam_Murdough what are your views on DC's Villain month? I know you love a good villain story...
  • TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    Well my come to Jesus moment has come to Jesus. I'm back to trades only. Even on my beloved Supergirl. :( Somehow the New 52 has brought me right back to where I was about 2 years back...Wonder Woman may be the lone holdout...
  • Mr_CosmicMr_Cosmic Posts: 3,200
    Forever Evil #1
    Forever Evil: Rogues #1
    Forever Evil: Arkham War #1
    Forever Evil: A.R.G.U.S. #1
    Batman #23.1 The Joker #1
    Batman #23.2 The Riddler #1
    Batman #23.3 The Penguin #1
    Batman #23.4 Bane #1
    Batman and Robin #23.1 Two-Face #1
    Batman and Robin #23.2 The Court of Owls #1
    Batman and Robin #23.3 Ra’s al Ghul and the League of Assassins #1
    Batman and Robin #23.4 Killer Croc #1
    Batman: The Dark Knight #23.1 The Ventriloquist #1
    Batman: The Dark Knight #23.2 Mr. Freeze #1
    Batman: The Dark Knight #23.3 Clayface #1
    Batman: The Dark Knight #23.4 The Joker’s Daughter #1
    Detective Comics #23.1 Poison Ivy #1
    Detective Comics #23.2 Harley Quinn #1
    Detective Comics #23.3 The Scarecrow #1
    Detective Comics #23.4 Man-Bat #1
    Batman/Superman #3.1 Doomsday #1
    Action Comics #23.1 Cyborg Superman #1
    Action Comics #23.2 General Zod #1
    Action Comics #23.3 Lex Luthor #1
    Action Comics #23.4 Metallo #1
    Superman #23.1 Bizarro #1
    Superman #23.2 Brainiac #1
    Superman #24.3 H’el #1
    Superman #24.4 Parasite #1
    Green Lantern #23.1 Relic #1
    Green Lantern #23.2 Mongul #1
    Green Lantern #23.3 Black Hand #1
    Green Lantern #23.4 Sinestro #1
    Justice League #23.1 Darkseid #1
    Justice League #23.2 Lobo #1
    Justice League #23.3 Dial E #1
    Justice League #23.4 Secret Society of Super-Villians #1
    Justice League Dark #23.1 The Creeper #1
    Justice League Dark #23.1 Eclipso #1
    Justice League of America #7.1 Deadshot #1
    Justice League of America #7.2 Killer Frost #1
    Justice League of America #7.3 Shadow Thief #1
    Justice League of America #7.4 Black Adam #1
    The Flash #23.1 Gorilla Grodd #1
    The Flash #23.2 Reverse-Flash #1
    The Flash #23.3 The Rogues #1
    Green Arrow #23.1 Count Vertigo #1
    Aquaman #23.1 Black Manta #1
    Aquaman #23.2 Ocean Master #1
    Wonder Woman #3.1 Cheetah #1
    Wonder Woman #3.2 First Born #1
    Earth-2 #15.1 Desaad #1
    Earth-2 #15.2 Solomon Grundy #1
    Swamp Thing #23.1 Arcane #1
    Teen Titans #23.1 Trigon #1
    Teen Titans #23.2 Deathstroke #1
  • luckymustardluckymustard Posts: 927
    Copied that list to Excel and it is 56 books. Thanks Mr. Cosmic.
  • David_DDavid_D Posts: 3,884
    Wow. That is a lot of funnybooks.

    I guess Animal Man was spared because he doesn't have any of his own villains!
  • luke52luke52 Posts: 1,392
    David_D said:

    Wow. That is a lot of funnybooks.

    I guess Animal Man was spared because he doesn't have any of his own villains!

    No animal man is a big loss. It's one of the few really good DC books out there still.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    David_D said:

    Wow. That is a lot of funnybooks.

    I guess Animal Man was spared because he doesn't have any of his own villains!

    Yeah, but that didn't stop them from creating "Joker's Daughter."

    M
  • Chuck_MelvilleChuck_Melville Posts: 3,003
    Matt said:

    David_D said:

    Wow. That is a lot of funnybooks.

    I guess Animal Man was spared because he doesn't have any of his own villains!

    Yeah, but that didn't stop them from creating "Joker's Daughter."

    M
    Or re-creating her, as the case may be.
  • DARDAR Posts: 1,128
    Simple way to fix that just won't buy. Though I buy trades anyway
  • WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    Wonder Woman #3.2 First Born #1

    Only one I'll get.
  • luke52luke52 Posts: 1,392
    edited June 2013
    I'll give Forever Evil a go.

    I'll also get...
    Arcane
    Darkseid
    Desaad
    Solomon Grundy
    Black Adam

    And maybe couple more if they take my fancy when they come out.
  • Chuck_MelvilleChuck_Melville Posts: 3,003
    I'm withholding any decision on getting these titles until I see the rest of the solicitations for the month. But I'm not really encouraged.
  • jaydee74jaydee74 Posts: 1,526
    Wow. Just......wow. I don't even have the words as to how lame this is. I hope the interior stuff is better than the covers.
  • Chuck_MelvilleChuck_Melville Posts: 3,003
    So -- not only are these books a dollar more expensive than usual (in most cases), but several of these titles are coming out multiple times within the month besides.

    This has the smell of 'killing the goose that lays the golden eggs' all over it.
  • David_DDavid_D Posts: 3,884
    The one potential upside of the multiplication of titles in this month-- in some cases, the creators being brought on these issues might be someone you are interested in. I don't know how much these will interconnect, or need the context of the regular title. But if someone wants to read Marv Wolfman writing about Trigon again, they could always treat that issue like a one shot. It reminds me of the "resurrected" titles that they had during Brightest Day.

    However- if I were the regular artist or writer of one of these titles, and suddenly there was a month were the audience was asked to buy four books, including those by others, instead of your one. . . I might not be too excited by that.
  • I have a feeling these are going to be one-shots that marketing is numbering in a way that makes the uniformed buyer feel like they need to buy the whole set to get a full story. I'm just going to buy the ones that have creators I like and I'm ignoring what it's called or how it's numbered. I think the quality of books would be stronger if the business wasn't propped up by a community of completists that feel the need to have every issue of a tittle or character no matter what the quality.
  • MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    I was thinking this morning since Morrison's Batman run killed my Batman run (and ultimately my anchor to collecting DC), I don't really have an interest in the character anymore (note: that excludes Nolan's movies). Morrison's run is ultimately ending and after 7 years, I really just have no interest in reading the titles.

    Now to my thread transition, this gimmick (and the WTF month) are not gaining any interest from me. I'm figuring this gimmick is a marketing ploy to get sales & pick up non-regular readers (obviously). I think it has the reverse effect.

    If you're doing great stories, accompanied by great art, the titles will sell themselves. I think about Johns' run on The Flash. I never collected the title, but I heard such amazing things about the run (pun intended), I pick up the title. I don't recall any OMG month or platinum, hieroglyphic cover edition to sell the book.

    I look at this stunt as applying lipstick to the pig. I hope these gimmicks tank so they can move on to strengthening the content.

    M
  • luke52luke52 Posts: 1,392
    I know there's not a lot of faith in DC at the moment. But let's imagine for just a minute that Villains month is going to be awesome??? We'll be given some great one shots staring villains great and small. And Forever Evil is going to be the best crossover in years.

    Wouldn't that be great???
  • NickNick Posts: 284
    Matt said:



    If you're doing great stories, accompanied by great art, the titles will sell themselves. I think about Johns' run on The Flash. I never collected the title, but I heard such amazing things about the run (pun intended), I pick up the title. I don't recall any OMG month or platinum, hieroglyphic cover edition to sell the book.

    M

    I know this is what we all want to believe, but let's face it, this doesn't always sell comics. Every month a book is cancelled and the fans of the book are saying "this book was great, had a spectacular writer, artist" and so on. It's sad, but just because a great creative team is on a book doesn't mean it will sell. The other point I would say is some books need time to find an audience. If there is a #1 issue (which normally generates higher sales) and it flops, they may even cancel the series before #4 is even solicited. Hard to prove your quality of work if it's cancelled before it's even read.
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