I really don't give two shakes of a willow branch about breast feeding in public. However, I'm very tired of these "pro" images with women mugging a camera with a baby hanger off of her teet.
Sure. But sometimes it takes some provocation to get the attention/ get the conversation going so that a happy medium-- between accommodation for public breastfeeding and the comfort of others-- to be found. When a good balance is found, then there won't be the same need for the provocative images.
The discomfort of others shouldn't even enter into it.
We've been out as a family and we've had to steer my 8 year old son's attention away from an uncovered woman breastfeeding. As parents who chose not to expose our young children to adult nudity I find it agrivating that we now have to deal with people too lazy to lay a towel over themselves.
Why should mothers be compelled to lug towels around just because some people are prudes?
Yeah!! Why should men be bothered to use stalls or bathrooms when you can whip it out an piss anywhere!? Um...
I really don't give two shakes of a willow branch about breast feeding in public. However, I'm very tired of these "pro" images with women mugging a camera with a baby hanger off of her teet.
Sure. But sometimes it takes some provocation to get the attention/ get the conversation going so that a happy medium-- between accommodation for public breastfeeding and the comfort of others-- to be found. When a good balance is found, then there won't be the same need for the provocative images.
The discomfort of others shouldn't even enter into it.
We've been out as a family and we've had to steer my 8 year old son's attention away from an uncovered woman breastfeeding. As parents who chose not to expose our young children to adult nudity I find it agrivating that we now have to deal with people too lazy to lay a towel over themselves.
Why should mothers be compelled to lug towels around just because some people are prudes?
Yeah!! Why should men be bothered to use stalls or bathrooms when you can whip it out an piss anywhere!? Um...
Modesty is not a bad thing.
I would call that a false equivalency.
Whatever your personal feelings on breastfeeding, I think we can agree that nursing does not equate to excreting waste, at least from a historical point of view. Across human history and culture those two acts have been handled very differently.
Also, I would add the value judgment words like "lazy" or "prude" are probably not going to move this conversation forward in a good way. (Though happy to be proven wrong on that).
I really don't give two shakes of a willow branch about breast feeding in public. However, I'm very tired of these "pro" images with women mugging a camera with a baby hanger off of her teet.
Sure. But sometimes it takes some provocation to get the attention/ get the conversation going so that a happy medium-- between accommodation for public breastfeeding and the comfort of others-- to be found. When a good balance is found, then there won't be the same need for the provocative images.
IMO, the only accommodation required is discretion on the part of those involved. I don't like the image because it's not about public breastfeeding. The baby is a prop. It's about the model looking good.
I really don't give two shakes of a willow branch about breast feeding in public. However, I'm very tired of these "pro" images with women mugging a camera with a baby hanger off of her teet.
Sure. But sometimes it takes some provocation to get the attention/ get the conversation going so that a happy medium-- between accommodation for public breastfeeding and the comfort of others-- to be found. When a good balance is found, then there won't be the same need for the provocative images.
The discomfort of others shouldn't even enter into it.
We've been out as a family and we've had to steer my 8 year old son's attention away from an uncovered woman breastfeeding. As parents who chose not to expose our young children to adult nudity I find it agrivating that we now have to deal with people too lazy to lay a towel over themselves.
Why should mothers be compelled to lug towels around just because some people are prudes?
Yeah!! Why should men be bothered to use stalls or bathrooms when you can whip it out an piss anywhere!? Um...
Modesty is not a bad thing.
Sanitation is a nice thing.
If you can't grasp the difference between eating and excreting, I never want to break bread with you...
Also, I would add the value judgment words like "lazy" or "prude" are probably not going to move this conversation forward in a good way. (Though happy to be proven wrong on that).
"Prude: a person who is or claims to be easily shocked by matters relating to sex or nudity."
Also, I would add the value judgment words like "lazy" or "prude" are probably not going to move this conversation forward in a good way. (Though happy to be proven wrong on that).
"Prude: a person who is or claims to be easily shocked by matters relating to sex or nudity." (ant. Torchsong)
Also, I would add the value judgment words like "lazy" or "prude" are probably not going to move this conversation forward in a good way. (Though happy to be proven wrong on that).
"Prude: a person who is or claims to be easily shocked by matters relating to sex or nudity." (ant. Torchsong)
Also, I would add the value judgment words like "lazy" or "prude" are probably not going to move this conversation forward in a good way. (Though happy to be proven wrong on that).
"Prude: a person who is or claims to be easily shocked by matters relating to sex or nudity." (ant. Torchsong)
Also, I would add the value judgment words like "lazy" or "prude" are probably not going to move this conversation forward in a good way. (Though happy to be proven wrong on that).
"Prude: a person who is or claims to be easily shocked by matters relating to sex or nudity." (ant. Torchsong)
Vocabulary, not value judgement.
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I had to Google "FIFY".
I'm not going to judge you on that. I only figured it out after noticing the bolded addition to the quote.
Whatever your personal feelings on breastfeeding, I think we can agree that nursing does not equate to excreting waste, at least from a historical point of view. Across human history and culture those two acts have been handled very differently.
The subject was modesty, not eating or excreting waste. My example of open air pissing is the only male gender equivalent I could conjure up. Besides, I didn't think open-air adjustments would qualify. As to breast-feeding in public, it isn't as though there aren't options. They make actual garments specifically for covering the procedure for just such occasions that the mother is compelled to breast feed in public. The mom could also feed the child at home, or use a breast pump so that there is a bottle handy if the lad gets hungry inconveniently.
Personally, it doesn't bother me. I don't stare, and I'm not disturbed whenever I see it. but sometime modesty can be very useful so as not upset others and preserve societal norms. There are pervs who might get the wrong idea and act inappropriately and small children usually can't help but stare and make things a bit awkward. Isn't it impolite to stare at others while they're eating? Not to mention that there are more than a few middle eastern countries that would severely punish the mother for such a practice in public.
As for the model on the cover with a baby pressed against her boob in the magazine cover, it just seems a bit gauche, don't you think?
Whatever your personal feelings on breastfeeding, I think we can agree that nursing does not equate to excreting waste, at least from a historical point of view. Across human history and culture those two acts have been handled very differently.
The subject was modesty, not eating or excreting waste. My example of open air pissing is the only male gender equivalent I could conjure up. Besides, I didn't think open-air adjustments would qualify. As to breast-feeding in public, it isn't as though there aren't options. They make actual garments specifically for covering the procedure for just such occasions that the mother is compelled to breast feed in public. The mom could also feed the child at home, or use a breast pump so that there is a bottle handy if the lad gets hungry inconveniently.
Personally, it doesn't bother me. I don't stare, and I'm not disturbed whenever I see it. but sometime modesty can be very useful so as not upset others and preserve societal norms. There are pervs who might get the wrong idea and act inappropriately and small children usually can't help but stare and make things a bit awkward. Isn't it impolite to stare at others while they're eating? Not to mention that there are more than a few middle eastern countries that would severely punish the mother for such a practice in public.
As for the model on the cover with a baby pressed against her boob in the magazine cover, it just seems a bit gauche, don't you think?
I think bringing up the way women are treated in those countries are exactly why the idea of what is or isn't modest- historically determined by men for women- can be so damaging to a culture.
Personally, I think some of the societal norms being continued in this country that a mother nursing a child is an explicit act, sure to be sexialized by onlookers, actually has more in common with enforcing that woman cover their heads or whole bodies for modesty than some would like to admit.
It's a baby eating. If an onlooker chooses to make it something else, that is on them.
I think bringing up the way women are treated in those countries are exactly why the idea of what is or isn't modest- historically determined by men for women- can be so damaging to a culture.
Personally, I think some of the societal norms being continued in this country that a mother nursing a child is an explicit act, sure to be sexialized by onlookers, actually has more in common with enforcing that woman cover their heads or whole bodies for modesty than some would like to admit.
I expected that response from some here, so I figured it was certainly worth noting. You might be surprised to know that I mostly agree with you. I was also in the camp that was upset that anyone blamed CharlieHedbo for the terrorist attacks they suffered. They had every right to be provocative, even a mission to be so. Breast feeding, not so much. I recommend those women cover up at every opportunity - strictly for self-preservation.
As to breast-feeding in public, it isn't as though there aren't options. They make actual garments specifically for covering the procedure for just such occasions that the mother is compelled to breast feed in public. The mom could also feed the child at home, or use a breast pump so that there is a bottle handy if the lad gets hungry inconveniently.
So you're comparing nursing-covers to burkas? I think if a woman wants to be modest and discreet, she ought to do so and not be shamed into exposing her breast in public. But if she prefers to let it all hang out, it's illegal to tell a breastfeeding mother to cover up, so more power to her.
And if I need to take a pee and go to the back of a building to do so, cut me some slack.
It's the magazine cover that comes across as gauche.
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Modesty is not a bad thing.
Whatever your personal feelings on breastfeeding, I think we can agree that nursing does not equate to excreting waste, at least from a historical point of view. Across human history and culture those two acts have been handled very differently.
If you can't grasp the difference between eating and excreting, I never want to break bread with you...
Vocabulary, not value judgement.
freakin kids.
Edit: BTW, FWIW I hate initializing. LOL
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Personally, it doesn't bother me. I don't stare, and I'm not disturbed whenever I see it. but sometime modesty can be very useful so as not upset others and preserve societal norms. There are pervs who might get the wrong idea and act inappropriately and small children usually can't help but stare and make things a bit awkward. Isn't it impolite to stare at others while they're eating? Not to mention that there are more than a few middle eastern countries that would severely punish the mother for such a practice in public.
As for the model on the cover with a baby pressed against her boob in the magazine cover, it just seems a bit gauche, don't you think?
Personally, I think some of the societal norms being continued in this country that a mother nursing a child is an explicit act, sure to be sexialized by onlookers, actually has more in common with enforcing that woman cover their heads or whole bodies for modesty than some would like to admit.
It's a baby eating. If an onlooker chooses to make it something else, that is on them.
And if I need to take a pee and go to the back of a building to do so, cut me some slack.
It's the magazine cover that comes across as gauche.