I am excited for all these comic book movies. I have no idea if they will be go or bad, but that is the fun of anticipation. Looking forward to seeing them in the theater, and knowing each movie gets a fair shake, not the snarkiness or backstabbing of internet fanboys, right?
The snarkiness of the internet fanboy is more of a turn off than some of this casting choices in DC and narrative decisions over in the Marvel side. This is an old train of thought that I'm going to express as I know I have said it here often: We sound like spoiled, entitled brats. Christopher Nolan movies dont count, RDJ should not be in Cap 3, The DC TV universe should be represented on the Silver Screen, Batman should not be in the MOS sequel. We tear these things apart in the conception stage. I understand that we all have strong opinions and preferences but I wish we could all just enjoy this upcoming decade. Suicide Squad?Civil War?. I'm impressed. You guys go back in time and cut class to see Superman 3. Maybe you will understand why I'm more excited about this plan than most of this forum seems to be.
I am excited for all these comic book movies. I have no idea if they will be go or bad, but that is the fun of anticipation. Looking forward to seeing them in the theater, and knowing each movie gets a fair shake, not the snarkiness or backstabbing of internet fanboys, right?
OK.
Snarkiness is fair.
It's fun being snarky.
But what backstabbing?
Seriously, who has been stabbed in their back?
And why is it anyone who has a different opinion is derided as a fanboy? I am so [expletive deleted] sick of the hypocrisy of the term. Every active member of this forum is an "internet fanboy".
I am excited for all these comic book movies. I have no idea if they will be go or bad, but that is the fun of anticipation. Looking forward to seeing them in the theater, and knowing each movie gets a fair shake, not the snarkiness or backstabbing of internet fanboys, right?
The snarkiness of the internet fanboy is more of a turn off than some of this casting choices in DC and narrative decisions over in the Marvel side. This is an old train of thought that I'm going to express as I know I have said it here often: We sound like spoiled, entitled brats. Christopher Nolan movies dont count, RDJ should not be in Cap 3, The DC TV universe should be represented on the Silver Screen, Batman should not be in the MOS sequel. We tear these things apart in the conception stage. I understand that we all have strong opinions and preferences but I wish we could all just enjoy this upcoming decade. Suicide Squad?Civil War?. I'm impressed. You guys go back in time and cut class to see Superman 3. Maybe you will understand why I'm more excited about this plan than most of this forum seems to be.
No doubt we live in a golden age of comic goodness. we have a plethora of good choices and are sometimes perhaps less appreciative than we could be.
I am excited for all these comic book movies. I have no idea if they will be go or bad, but that is the fun of anticipation. Looking forward to seeing them in the theater, and knowing each movie gets a fair shake, not the snarkiness or backstabbing of internet fanboys, right?
The snarkiness of the internet fanboy is more of a turn off than some of this casting choices in DC and narrative decisions over in the Marvel side. This is an old train of thought that I'm going to express as I know I have said it here often: We sound like spoiled, entitled brats. Christopher Nolan movies dont count, RDJ should not be in Cap 3, The DC TV universe should be represented on the Silver Screen, Batman should not be in the MOS sequel. We tear these things apart in the conception stage. I understand that we all have strong opinions and preferences but I wish we could all just enjoy this upcoming decade. Suicide Squad?Civil War?. I'm impressed. You guys go back in time and cut class to see Superman 3. Maybe you will understand why I'm more excited about this plan than most of this forum seems to be.
No doubt we live in a golden age of comic goodness. we have a plethora of good choices and are sometimes perhaps less appreciative than we could be.
And I wish more people felt this way. I sound like a grumpy old man but I think we do take this stuff for granted and need to embrace this world. Even a messy bloated Guardians of the Galaxy movie is still a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. Instead of studios investing in Lethal Weapon 5 they are investing in Suicide Squad. That deserves praise not snark.
I am excited for all these comic book movies. I have no idea if they will be go or bad, but that is the fun of anticipation. Looking forward to seeing them in the theater, and knowing each movie gets a fair shake, not the snarkiness or backstabbing of internet fanboys, right?
The snarkiness of the internet fanboy is more of a turn off than some of this casting choices in DC and narrative decisions over in the Marvel side. This is an old train of thought that I'm going to express as I know I have said it here often: We sound like spoiled, entitled brats. Christopher Nolan movies dont count, RDJ should not be in Cap 3, The DC TV universe should be represented on the Silver Screen, Batman should not be in the MOS sequel. We tear these things apart in the conception stage. I understand that we all have strong opinions and preferences but I wish we could all just enjoy this upcoming decade. Suicide Squad?Civil War?. I'm impressed. You guys go back in time and cut class to see Superman 3. Maybe you will understand why I'm more excited about this plan than most of this forum seems to be.
No doubt we live in a golden age of comic goodness. we have a plethora of good choices and are sometimes perhaps less appreciative than we could be.
And I wish more people felt this way. I sound like a grumpy old man but I think we do take this stuff for granted and need to embrace this world. Even a messy bloated Guardians of the Galaxy movie is still a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. Instead of studios investing in Lethal Weapon 5 they are investing in Suicide Squad. That deserves praise not snark.
I loved Guardians of the Galaxy I didn't think it was messy or bloated at all. I think I've seen it in the theatre 3 times. And heck yeah I'd rather see a new comic property than Rush Hour 7 (or Leonard Part 6 ;) ) I don't for the most part feel too bad about waht you're calling snarkiness. I think we're all just excited and want these things to be as great as we now know they can be so we want to backseat drive a bit. don't think of it as snarky think of it as enthusiastic speculation.
I am excited for all these comic book movies. I have no idea if they will be go or bad, but that is the fun of anticipation. Looking forward to seeing them in the theater, and knowing each movie gets a fair shake, not the snarkiness or backstabbing of internet fanboys, right?
The snarkiness of the internet fanboy is more of a turn off than some of this casting choices in DC and narrative decisions over in the Marvel side. This is an old train of thought that I'm going to express as I know I have said it here often: We sound like spoiled, entitled brats. Christopher Nolan movies dont count, RDJ should not be in Cap 3, The DC TV universe should be represented on the Silver Screen, Batman should not be in the MOS sequel. We tear these things apart in the conception stage. I understand that we all have strong opinions and preferences but I wish we could all just enjoy this upcoming decade. Suicide Squad?Civil War?. I'm impressed. You guys go back in time and cut class to see Superman 3. Maybe you will understand why I'm more excited about this plan than most of this forum seems to be.
No doubt we live in a golden age of comic goodness. we have a plethora of good choices and are sometimes perhaps less appreciative than we could be.
Yep. I couldn't agree more. DC's movies are definitely a mixed bag (for every Batman Begins there are a couple of Steel and Catwoman type movies. Still, it's no bother to me if they are out there and I hope the people who like their storytelling style like what is coming up.
If they are as joyless as Man of Steel, I'll wait until they are on HBO. I have a lot of stuff to watch that is stacking up as I work too damn many hours. I hear there's this show Breaking Bad people say is good.
I'm pretty excited for most of these. I'm only puzzled by The Flash casting as that came out of nowhere.
I predicted months ago that they were filming a Justice League movie simultaneously with BvS... now I'm even more convinced that is the case. Warner Bros seems to like that approach (LOTR, Hobbit).
My new prediction for 2025: Justice League: Crisis... at the end, the DCU is rebooted and we see all new actors for Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc.
I am excited for all these comic book movies. I have no idea if they will be go or bad, but that is the fun of anticipation. Looking forward to seeing them in the theater, and knowing each movie gets a fair shake, not the snarkiness or backstabbing of internet fanboys, right?
The snarkiness of the internet fanboy is more of a turn off than some of this casting choices in DC and narrative decisions over in the Marvel side. This is an old train of thought that I'm going to express as I know I have said it here often: We sound like spoiled, entitled brats. Christopher Nolan movies dont count, RDJ should not be in Cap 3, The DC TV universe should be represented on the Silver Screen, Batman should not be in the MOS sequel. We tear these things apart in the conception stage. I understand that we all have strong opinions and preferences but I wish we could all just enjoy this upcoming decade. Suicide Squad?Civil War?. I'm impressed. You guys go back in time and cut class to see Superman 3. Maybe you will understand why I'm more excited about this plan than most of this forum seems to be.
No doubt we live in a golden age of comic goodness. we have a plethora of good choices and are sometimes perhaps less appreciative than we could be.
And I wish more people felt this way. I sound like a grumpy old man but I think we do take this stuff for granted and need to embrace this world. Even a messy bloated Guardians of the Galaxy movie is still a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. Instead of studios investing in Lethal Weapon 5 they are investing in Suicide Squad. That deserves praise not snark.
I loved Guardians of the Galaxy I didn't think it was messy or bloated at all. I think I've seen it in the theatre 3 times. And heck yeah I'd rather see a new comic property than Rush Hour 7 (or Leonard Part 6 ;) ) I don't for the most part feel too bad about waht you're calling snarkiness. I think we're all just excited and want these things to be as great as we now know they can be so we want to backseat drive a bit. don't think of it as snarky think of it as enthusiastic speculation.
And I love that we can disagree and actually welcome that. We can debate it based on what is on the screen. That's the fanboy stuff I love, the back and forth about the subject matter. I loved GOTG but thought it was all over the place.
Snark was not my choice of word, though I agree with the OP's sentiment. I do not see the posts I am refering to as completely "enthusiastic speculation" though, they read more negative than I prefer. And it's not just this new batch of DC movie titles. It is all of the constant griping at the all the stages of this world building DC and Marvel have been doing. It's picking at the actor choices, director's choices, narrative choices, moral choices of on screen characters. It grows tiresome. I do not like process so I'm not one for too much "enthusiastic speculation" but to hear people bitch about a movie 5 years from now is just ridiculous. But as I always end these posts of my, to each their own, I have to learn to avoid these threads and stick with nolstagia. I do not want to belong to this set of fanboys who pick at threads not sewn yet.
There was a time when I felt it was my duty to see every comic book movie in the theater, to be supportive of a genre I loved and that I knew others would love if done correctly.
We know it can be now. The whole world knows. And it's great that it can. Because now that the genre isn't in danger of being strangled in its crib I can judge what I want to see by the same criteria I'd judge any other release.
Do I care about this story? Do I care about this franchise or character? Do I like the cast, the director, the writers?
I'm not saying that it's not possible for my answer to be "no" to every single one of those questions and still be a good movie. But I've also seen more movies I've wanted to like and didn't, and for predictable reasons relating to those 3 questions.
Three of the top 10 highest all time domestic grossing movies are comic book movies. 11 out the top 40. We no longer need to feel protective over the genre. And when the studios release information to build hype, we CAN be skeptical, disinterested or angry or conversely,we can get excited by the news we hear. We don't owe them the benefit of the doubt. We gave it to them for years. They owe it to us to make the best movies possible. It's all fair game now.
The only thing left that would be nice for just science fiction movies, let alone superhero ones, is that one actually wins a Best Picture Oscar. Lord of the Rings: Return of the King is the closest thing to doing that.
No doubt we live in a golden age of comic goodness. we have a plethora of good choices and are sometimes perhaps less appreciative than we could be.
This. So much this.
When I feel the urge to get involved in a snark-fest or a forecast of what will/won't suck six months before it ever starts filming, I remind myself of something very simple:
If I could go back and tell my 13-year old self that there would come a day when: - The Flash will have not one, but two, television series. And a movie. - There will be a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. And it will be amazing. - Supergirl will have her own television show. - There will be a movie where Superman meets Batman. Wonder Woman too. - Yes, there will be a Shazam movie. - You'll be able to walk into stores and buy comic-based merchandise that you'd never think you'd be able to. - Someone in your work will come up to you and ask who that guy in the yellow suit is in the Flash show they're enjoying. And you'll know.
I mean...my head would explode! I know we set the bar high for the things we love but for pity's sake take a minute and just REVEL in the fact that this is happening at ALL!!!
No doubt we live in a golden age of comic goodness. we have a plethora of good choices and are sometimes perhaps less appreciative than we could be.
This. So much this.
When I feel the urge to get involved in a snark-fest or a forecast of what will/won't suck six months before it ever starts filming, I remind myself of something very simple:
If I could go back and tell my 13-year old self that there would come a day when: - The Flash will have not one, but two, television series. And a movie. - There will be a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. And it will be amazing. - Supergirl will have her own television show. - There will be a movie where Superman meets Batman. Wonder Woman too. - Yes, there will be a Shazam movie. - You'll be able to walk into stores and buy comic-based merchandise that you'd never think you'd be able to. - Someone in your work will come up to you and ask who that guy in the yellow suit is in the Flash show they're enjoying. And you'll know.
I mean...my head would explode! I know we set the bar high for the things we love but for pity's sake take a minute and just REVEL in the fact that this is happening at ALL!!!
Three of the top 10 highest all time domestic grossing movies are comic book movies. 11 out the top 40. We no longer need to feel protective over the genre. And when the studios release information to build hype, we CAN be skeptical, disinterested or angry or conversely,we can get excited by the news we hear. We don't owe them the benefit of the doubt. We gave it to them for years. They owe it to us to make the best movies possible. It's all fair game now.
I like this thought and I do not take it is a shot at my posts but there is so much more of the "skeptical, disinterested or angry " part in a large portion of the responses that I took issue with. Nobody gets a blank check but there were a lot more gripes about RDJ in Cap 3 than "excited" at the prospect of the MCU growing as a function of RDJ appearing as Tony Stark. I think we are so invested in this stuff that we forget that we CAN be "excited" instead of going straight for the "skeptical, disinterested or angry".
I also dont think "we" gave them the benefit of the doubt. There was plenty of crap out there that was historically lambasted and deservedly so. Hassellhoff's Nick Fury. Blade 3.Batman and Robin. Nobody swallowed that stuff quietly.
I suppose my issue is with the internet culture and 24 hour news cycle and not this specific topic. I am not looking forward to the casting debates over Ryan Gosling in the Suicide Squad or whether Ewan MacGreggor would make a better Doctor Strange than Joaquin Phoenix. I do not think we benefit from knowing how the sausage is made. This is not specific to our subculture, this just happens to be the one I comment on. I don't think we should over-analyze this subject to the extent we do.
Three of the top 10 highest all time domestic grossing movies are comic book movies. 11 out the top 40. We no longer need to feel protective over the genre. And when the studios release information to build hype, we CAN be skeptical, disinterested or angry or conversely,we can get excited by the news we hear. We don't owe them the benefit of the doubt. We gave it to them for years. They owe it to us to make the best movies possible. It's all fair game now.
Not much more to add except what a refreshing turn this thread has had! I'm in total agreement. I'm seeing these movies through my eyes, my wife's, in the eyes of what my childhood self would think (and I grew up in the 90s which was not the best decade for superhero movies) and through my kids. They don't need these movies to be carbon copies or to be beholden to comic versions. They are their own entities that can exist side by side with the versions in cartoons, comics, coloring books, animated movies, etc. They are so much more patient and tolerant and understanding than hardcore fans. Which is a good thing if we want them to be the next generation.
No doubt we live in a golden age of comic goodness. we have a plethora of good choices and are sometimes perhaps less appreciative than we could be.
This. So much this.
When I feel the urge to get involved in a snark-fest or a forecast of what will/won't suck six months before it ever starts filming, I remind myself of something very simple:
If I could go back and tell my 13-year old self that there would come a day when: - The Flash will have not one, but two, television series. And a movie. - There will be a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. And it will be amazing. - Supergirl will have her own television show. - There will be a movie where Superman meets Batman. Wonder Woman too. - Yes, there will be a Shazam movie. - You'll be able to walk into stores and buy comic-based merchandise that you'd never think you'd be able to. - Someone in your work will come up to you and ask who that guy in the yellow suit is in the Flash show they're enjoying. And you'll know.
I mean...my head would explode! I know we set the bar high for the things we love but for pity's sake take a minute and just REVEL in the fact that this is happening at ALL!!!
I'm not 13 anymore.
I am, in fact, 4x13 years old.
I have higher standards now than I did then,
I am less-easily satisfied by poorly-made, prettily-packaged products than I was when I was 13.
In the intervening 39 years, I have learned that products that are rushed into production tend to be ill-conceived and unsatisfying and that trend-chasers generally tend to miss the essence of what made something special and successful, and only ape the obvious surface elements.
One of the results of living to this age is learning to recognize patterns and extrapolate likely outcomes.
One of the supposed benefits of spending time in a forum like this is the discussion of such observations and extrapolations and expressing one's opinions with others who share similar interests.
I do not think we benefit from knowing how the sausage is made. This is not specific to our subculture, this just happens to be the one I comment on. I don't think we should over-analyze this subject to the extent we do.
So why are you on the internet?
That's pretty much what the internet is all about.
I, for one, am fascinated by sausage-making and I love over-analysis.
No doubt we live in a golden age of comic goodness. we have a plethora of good choices and are sometimes perhaps less appreciative than we could be.
This. So much this.
When I feel the urge to get involved in a snark-fest or a forecast of what will/won't suck six months before it ever starts filming, I remind myself of something very simple:
If I could go back and tell my 13-year old self that there would come a day when: - The Flash will have not one, but two, television series. And a movie. - There will be a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. And it will be amazing. - Supergirl will have her own television show. - There will be a movie where Superman meets Batman. Wonder Woman too. - Yes, there will be a Shazam movie. - You'll be able to walk into stores and buy comic-based merchandise that you'd never think you'd be able to. - Someone in your work will come up to you and ask who that guy in the yellow suit is in the Flash show they're enjoying. And you'll know.
I mean...my head would explode! I know we set the bar high for the things we love but for pity's sake take a minute and just REVEL in the fact that this is happening at ALL!!!
I'm not 13 anymore.
I am, in fact, 4x13 years old.
I have higher standards now than I did then,
I am less-easily satisfied by poorly-made, prettily-packaged products than I was when I was 13.
In the intervening 39 years, I have learned that products that are rushed into production tend to be ill-conceived and unsatisfying and that trend-chasers generally tend to miss the essence of what made something special and successful, and only ape the obvious surface elements.
One of the results of living to this age is learning to recognize patterns and extrapolate likely outcomes.
One of the supposed benefits of spending time in a forum like this is the discussion of such observations and extrapolations and expressing one's opinions with others who share similar interests.
I share similar interests, not always opinions.
I do not see the DC plan as trend chasing. I see it as a plan to compete with their rival. Thought out 6 years. My issue is the quickness to shit on it. I don't want to personalize this to @WetRats though I sense you believe your 52 years entitles you to be more critical than supportive and my 45 year old self disagrees with that notion.
No doubt we live in a golden age of comic goodness. we have a plethora of good choices and are sometimes perhaps less appreciative than we could be.
This. So much this.
When I feel the urge to get involved in a snark-fest or a forecast of what will/won't suck six months before it ever starts filming, I remind myself of something very simple:
If I could go back and tell my 13-year old self that there would come a day when: - The Flash will have not one, but two, television series. And a movie. - There will be a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. And it will be amazing. - Supergirl will have her own television show. - There will be a movie where Superman meets Batman. Wonder Woman too. - Yes, there will be a Shazam movie. - You'll be able to walk into stores and buy comic-based merchandise that you'd never think you'd be able to. - Someone in your work will come up to you and ask who that guy in the yellow suit is in the Flash show they're enjoying. And you'll know.
I mean...my head would explode! I know we set the bar high for the things we love but for pity's sake take a minute and just REVEL in the fact that this is happening at ALL!!!
I'm not 13 anymore.
I am, in fact, 4x13 years old.
I have higher standards now than I did then,
I am less-easily satisfied by poorly-made, prettily-packaged products than I was when I was 13.
In the intervening 39 years, I have learned that products that are rushed into production tend to be ill-conceived and unsatisfying and that trend-chasers generally tend to miss the essence of what made something special and successful, and only ape the obvious surface elements.
One of the results of living to this age is learning to recognize patterns and extrapolate likely outcomes.
One of the supposed benefits of spending time in a forum like this is the discussion of such observations and extrapolations and expressing one's opinions with others who share similar interests.
In the intervening 39 years, I have learned that products that are rushed into production tend to be ill-conceived and unsatisfying and that trend-chasers generally tend to miss the essence of what made something special and successful, and only ape the obvious surface elements.
And those products tend to die on the vine or are not remembered except as the joke they became. Love Superman II. Loathe Superman IV. Love Burton Batman. Hate Schumacher Batman.
"Having Standards" doesn't mean I can't be happy this is happening at all. Nor does my being happy mean I'm necessarily going to embrace everything that comes of it. Constantine ain't smoking. Doesn't mean I'm not tuning in to give it a day in court.
As to discourse on observations and extrapolations...all well and good. Unfortunately the internet has proven for the most part it isn't willing to engage in such a conversation.
Not much more to add except what a refreshing turn this thread has had! I'm in total agreement. I'm seeing these movies through my eyes, my wife's, in the eyes of what my childhood self would think (and I grew up in the 90s which was not the best decade for superhero movies) and through my kids. They don't need these movies to be carbon copies or to be beholden to comic versions. They are their own entities that can exist side by side with the versions in cartoons, comics, coloring books, animated movies, etc. They are so much more patient and tolerant and understanding than hardcore fans. Which is a good thing if we want them to be the next generation.
And that, to me, is another huge part of the fun of what's going on right now.
I do not see the DC plan as trend chasing. I see it as a plan to compete with their rival. Thought out 6 years. My issue is the quickness to shit on it. I don't want to personalize this to @WetRats though I sense you believe your 52 years entitles you to be more critical than supportive and my 45 year old self disagrees with that notion.
Entitled?
Hell. being 52 doesn't even entitle me to a senior citizen's discount.
All it entitles me to is bad knees.
Mentioning my age was in response to @Torchsong's mentioning his 13-year-old self.
I am as critical or as supportive of a project as I feel the project warrants, based upon the information given about the people involved in said project, and their existing body of work.
The people behind these movies have not produced a single film I have enjoyed, why should I expect them to suddenly start making ones I do enjoy?
I am quite supportive of things I enjoy. For instance, I have felt at times, as if I were the only person supporting Agents of SHIELD.
I'm also supportive of projects by people whose previous work I have enjoyed.
I don't think you understand that what I find offensive here is not being disagreed with, but being scolded for expressing my opinion.
I will be as critical or supportive as I damned well choose to be, and your 45-year-old self can kiss my 52-year-old ass if you don't like it.
"Having Standards" doesn't mean I can't be happy this is happening at all. Nor does my being happy mean I'm necessarily going to embrace everything that comes of it. Constantine ain't smoking. Doesn't mean I'm not tuning in to give it a day in court.
Sad thing is, I'm not unhappy these films are happening, and I in no way am rooting for them to fail, but I am skeptical of their quality, due to both the creative team and the sense that there is pressure from the non-creative people at Warner's to duplicate Marvel's formula pronto.
If they turn to to be great movies, I'll be thrilled.
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I'm not a huge DC guy, but good movie fun is good movie fun.
The flash casting choice is strange, but odds are I'll see all of these in the theaters unless the reviews are HORRID.
Snarkiness is fair.
It's fun being snarky.
But what backstabbing?
Seriously, who has been stabbed in their back?
And why is it anyone who has a different opinion is derided as a fanboy? I am so [expletive deleted] sick of the hypocrisy of the term. Every active member of this forum is an "internet fanboy".
If they are as joyless as Man of Steel, I'll wait until they are on HBO. I have a lot of stuff to watch that is stacking up as I work too damn many hours. I hear there's this show Breaking Bad people say is good.
I predicted months ago that they were filming a Justice League movie simultaneously with BvS... now I'm even more convinced that is the case. Warner Bros seems to like that approach (LOTR, Hobbit).
My new prediction for 2025: Justice League: Crisis... at the end, the DCU is rebooted and we see all new actors for Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, etc.
Snark was not my choice of word, though I agree with the OP's sentiment. I do not see the posts I am refering to as completely "enthusiastic speculation" though, they read more negative than I prefer. And it's not just this new batch of DC movie titles. It is all of the constant griping at the all the stages of this world building DC and Marvel have been doing. It's picking at the actor choices, director's choices, narrative choices, moral choices of on screen characters. It grows tiresome. I do not like process so I'm not one for too much "enthusiastic speculation" but to hear people bitch about a movie 5 years from now is just ridiculous. But as I always end these posts of my, to each their own, I have to learn to avoid these threads and stick with nolstagia. I do not want to belong to this set of fanboys who pick at threads not sewn yet.
We know it can be now. The whole world knows. And it's great that it can. Because now that the genre isn't in danger of being strangled in its crib I can judge what I want to see by the same criteria I'd judge any other release.
Do I care about this story?
Do I care about this franchise or character?
Do I like the cast, the director, the writers?
I'm not saying that it's not possible for my answer to be "no" to every single one of those questions and still be a good movie. But I've also seen more movies I've wanted to like and didn't, and for predictable reasons relating to those 3 questions.
Three of the top 10 highest all time domestic grossing movies are comic book movies. 11 out the top 40. We no longer need to feel protective over the genre. And when the studios release information to build hype, we CAN be skeptical, disinterested or angry or conversely,we can get excited by the news we hear. We don't owe them the benefit of the doubt. We gave it to them for years. They owe it to us to make the best movies possible. It's all fair game now.
When I feel the urge to get involved in a snark-fest or a forecast of what will/won't suck six months before it ever starts filming, I remind myself of something very simple:
If I could go back and tell my 13-year old self that there would come a day when:
- The Flash will have not one, but two, television series. And a movie.
- There will be a Guardians of the Galaxy movie. And it will be amazing.
- Supergirl will have her own television show.
- There will be a movie where Superman meets Batman. Wonder Woman too.
- Yes, there will be a Shazam movie.
- You'll be able to walk into stores and buy comic-based merchandise that you'd never think you'd be able to.
- Someone in your work will come up to you and ask who that guy in the yellow suit is in the Flash show they're enjoying. And you'll know.
I mean...my head would explode! I know we set the bar high for the things we love but for pity's sake take a minute and just REVEL in the fact that this is happening at ALL!!!
I also dont think "we" gave them the benefit of the doubt. There was plenty of crap out there that was historically lambasted and deservedly so. Hassellhoff's Nick Fury. Blade 3.Batman and Robin. Nobody swallowed that stuff quietly.
I suppose my issue is with the internet culture and 24 hour news cycle and not this specific topic. I am not looking forward to the casting debates over Ryan Gosling in the Suicide Squad or whether Ewan MacGreggor would make a better Doctor Strange than Joaquin Phoenix. I do not think we benefit from knowing how the sausage is made. This is not specific to our subculture, this just happens to be the one I comment on. I don't think we should over-analyze this subject to the extent we do.
Thank you.
I am, in fact, 4x13 years old.
I have higher standards now than I did then,
I am less-easily satisfied by poorly-made, prettily-packaged products than I was when I was 13.
In the intervening 39 years, I have learned that products that are rushed into production tend to be ill-conceived and unsatisfying and that trend-chasers generally tend to miss the essence of what made something special and successful, and only ape the obvious surface elements.
One of the results of living to this age is learning to recognize patterns and extrapolate likely outcomes.
One of the supposed benefits of spending time in a forum like this is the discussion of such observations and extrapolations and expressing one's opinions with others who share similar interests.
That's pretty much what the internet is all about.
I, for one, am fascinated by sausage-making and I love over-analysis.
I do not see the DC plan as trend chasing. I see it as a plan to compete with their rival. Thought out 6 years. My issue is the quickness to shit on it. I don't want to personalize this to @WetRats though I sense you believe your 52 years entitles you to be more critical than supportive and my 45 year old self disagrees with that notion.
Right?
Or was that before Superboy punched a wall.
"Having Standards" doesn't mean I can't be happy this is happening at all. Nor does my being happy mean I'm necessarily going to embrace everything that comes of it. Constantine ain't smoking. Doesn't mean I'm not tuning in to give it a day in court.
As to discourse on observations and extrapolations...all well and good. Unfortunately the internet has proven for the most part it isn't willing to engage in such a conversation.
Outside of these forums of course. ;)
Entitled?
Hell. being 52 doesn't even entitle me to a senior citizen's discount.
All it entitles me to is bad knees.
Mentioning my age was in response to @Torchsong's mentioning his 13-year-old self.
I am as critical or as supportive of a project as I feel the project warrants, based upon the information given about the people involved in said project, and their existing body of work.
The people behind these movies have not produced a single film I have enjoyed, why should I expect them to suddenly start making ones I do enjoy?
I am quite supportive of things I enjoy. For instance, I have felt at times, as if I were the only person supporting Agents of SHIELD.
I'm also supportive of projects by people whose previous work I have enjoyed.
I don't think you understand that what I find offensive here is not being disagreed with, but being scolded for expressing my opinion.
I will be as critical or supportive as I damned well choose to be, and your 45-year-old self can kiss my 52-year-old ass if you don't like it.
If they turn to to be great movies, I'll be thrilled.
(If I live that long, I am old, it seems.)