i would say... 85% were positive reactions to ant-man 10% were feminists complaining about Hope and Janet Van Dyne 5% were people who has not seen the movie saying it looks stupid
This is the wrong thread for the discussion, but aside from making the movie Wasp, what did they want?
i would say... 85% were positive reactions to ant-man 10% were feminists complaining about Hope and Janet Van Dyne 5% were people who has not seen the movie saying it looks stupid
This is the wrong thread for the discussion, but aside from making the movie Wasp, what did they want?
My COMIC friends HATE Leto Joker (for the most part). My NON-COMIC friends LOVE Leto Joker and cannot WAIT to see it (for the most part).
Seeing the trailer, I'm more confident in Leto Joker based on VOICE AND LAUGH. The LOOK still bugs me alot. But because of the voice and laugh I'm just going to wait and see. I'm going to see the movie anyways, so I may as well reserve judgement.
As it stands, it might make sense for Joker and Harley to look like they do. I don't KNOW this world they exist in. I don't know these characters histories. For all I know, their histories, the world they exist in, the nature of their past crimes, etc. make it so their looks make PERFECT sense.
I know the DC Universe quite well, but I don't know THIS DC Universe. In the DC Universe I know, Joker would NEVER look like this (according to how I define things).
Man of Steel gave me a glimpse, but an EXTREMELY limited glimpse of this Universe. BvS:DOJ will give me a much broader look. Suicide Squad even more so. So I'll wait until I grasp the Universe before I dismiss it's inhabitants out of hand.
I like Leto Joker; i think he looks like an insane clown. I've seen about 100 different versions of the Joker in lifetime; leto look Joker is no different than any of the myriad of Jokers I've been OK with.
My COMIC friends HATE Leto Joker (for the most part). My NON-COMIC friends LOVE Leto Joker and cannot WAIT to see it (for the most part).
Seeing the trailer, I'm more confident in Leto Joker based on VOICE AND LAUGH. The LOOK still bugs me alot. But because of the voice and laugh I'm just going to wait and see. I'm going to see the movie anyways, so I may as well reserve judgement.
As it stands, it might make sense for Joker and Harley to look like they do. I don't KNOW this world they exist in. I don't know these characters histories. For all I know, their histories, the world they exist in, the nature of their past crimes, etc. make it so their looks make PERFECT sense.
I know the DC Universe quite well, but I don't know THIS DC Universe. In the DC Universe I know, Joker would NEVER look like this (according to how I define things).
Man of Steel gave me a glimpse, but an EXTREMELY limited glimpse of this Universe. BvS:DOJ will give me a much broader look. Suicide Squad even more so. So I'll wait until I grasp the Universe before I dismiss it's inhabitants out of hand.
I know that I do not find this DC Universe appealing.
In fact, I know that I find this DC Universe appalling.
I like Leto Joker; i think he looks like an insane clown. I've seen about 100 different versions of the Joker in lifetime; leto look Joker is no different than any of the myriad of Jokers I've been OK with.
That's why many people are referring to him as a "juggalo" which is a name given to fans of the group Insane Clown Posse
I like Leto Joker; i think he looks like an insane clown. I've seen about 100 different versions of the Joker in lifetime; leto look Joker is no different than any of the myriad of Jokers I've been OK with.
That's why many people are referring to him as a "juggalo" which is a name given to fans of the group Insane Clown Posse
Which isn't endearing since Juggalos are considered to be beyond annoying.
I listen to Colt Cabana I know what the juggalos are. I watched them wrestle in the late 90s.
All I'm saying is what's the difference between juggaloker and belted-on-face-Joker or nicholas-joker or triangle-mouth-Joker or Joker-with-a-two-foot-chin-that-is-pointer-than-a-knife or insert-any-other-version Joker.
I suppose everyone's mileage varies. I've worked with Leto's band, 30 Seconds to Mars, and already have intimate knowledge of him that unfortunatley sort of biases me against him. This has surely ruined my perspective on several of his projects, for my tastes. That being said, I also think this interpretation makes the character look somewhat 'small time' and thug-ish, in order to appear "gritty."
I'm disappointed that the new trailer hasn't increased my enthusiasm for this, Deadpool still holds my interest more, and that's probably a Netflix add as well. However, I am glad to see the trailer because it reminded me of this awesome remix.
I'm disappointed that the new trailer hasn't increased my enthusiasm for this, Deadpool still holds my interest more, and that's probably a Netflix add as well. However, I am glad to see the trailer because it reminded me of this awesome remix.
I'm 180 degrees on this one (aside from the Queen remix). Deadpool is far more likely to be the Netflix pic and Suicide Squad more likely the trip to the theater.
Looks interesting and entertaining enough. Nothing but nit picks from me at this stage but I'm in. Will either bet a pleasant cool surprise or a dud but I'm more optimistic for this than bvs.
Does the Suicide Squad have mass general audience appeal, like say a Batman movie, or like Ant-Man? No one that I associate with in daily life has even heard of Suicide Squad and don't know who Harley Quinn is either. They do know Batman and the Joker, but this 'Juggalo' version isn't recognizable to them.
However, it was similar for Ant-Man. @Matt's comparison to Guardians of the Galaxy is probably apt as well. Although this movie looks much more in line with DC's recent "darker & grittier" tone than GotG. Not even close. When compared to the unknown Marvel properties that did well, the difference is those had a lot of comedy elements and looked bright and colorful and seemed fun for the whole family. General audience appeal.
Similar to the possibilities of Deadpool, this film may only appeal to fans. For every R-rated comics sleeper hit like Kick-Ass or Kingsman there's a Kick-Ass 2 or Dredd that failed (I really liked Dredd).
However, this movie has Batman and the Joker. Could it do a billion dollars? I predict the next trailer is all about Batman and Joker. Any predictions on domestic gross (US)?
Does the Suicide Squad have mass general audience appeal, like say a Batman movie, or like Ant-Man? No one that I associate with in daily life has even heard of Suicide Squad and don't know who Harley Quinn is either. They do know Batman and the Joker, but this 'Juggalo' version isn't recognizable to them.
However, it was similar for Ant-Man. @Matt's comparison to Guardians of the Galaxy is probably apt as well. Although this movie looks much more in line with DC's recent "darker & grittier" tone than GotG. Not even close. When compared to the unknown Marvel properties that did well, the difference is those had a lot of comedy elements and looked bright and colorful and seemed fun for the whole family. General audience appeal.
Similar to the possibilities of Deadpool, this film may only appeal to fans. For every R-rated comics sleeper hit like Kick-Ass or Kingsman there's a Kick-Ass 2 or Dredd that failed (I really liked Dredd).
However, this movie has Batman and the Joker. Could it do a billion dollars? I predict the next trailer is all about Batman and Joker. Any predictions on domestic gross (US)?
The retro music, the comedic drops, and the "bad guys are heroes" angles in this trailer just reminded too much of this
I see your point @Matt but even a wise-cracking racoon like Rocket has a bit of family movie vibe appeal, even if he is shooting a deadly assault weapon... :)
Of course, Will Smith may be all the wise-cracking, comedy relief that SS needs.
I see your point @Matt but even a wise-cracking racoon like Rocket has a bit of family movie vibe appeal, even if he is shooting a deadly assault weapon... :)
Of course, Will Smith may be all the wise-cracking, comedy relief that SS needs.
I actually thought Harley would be the raccoon of this movie.
I see your point @Matt but even a wise-cracking racoon like Rocket has a bit of family movie vibe appeal, even if he is shooting a deadly assault weapon... :)
Of course, Will Smith may be all the wise-cracking, comedy relief that SS needs.
I actually thought Harley would be the raccoon of this movie.
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My COMIC friends HATE Leto Joker (for the most part).
My NON-COMIC friends LOVE Leto Joker and cannot WAIT to see it (for the most part).
Seeing the trailer, I'm more confident in Leto Joker based on VOICE AND LAUGH. The LOOK still bugs me alot. But because of the voice and laugh I'm just going to wait and see. I'm going to see the movie anyways, so I may as well reserve judgement.
As it stands, it might make sense for Joker and Harley to look like they do. I don't KNOW this world they exist in. I don't know these characters histories. For all I know, their histories, the world they exist in, the nature of their past crimes, etc. make it so their looks make PERFECT sense.
I know the DC Universe quite well, but I don't know THIS DC Universe. In the DC Universe I know, Joker would NEVER look like this (according to how I define things).
Man of Steel gave me a glimpse, but an EXTREMELY limited glimpse of this Universe. BvS:DOJ will give me a much broader look. Suicide Squad even more so. So I'll wait until I grasp the Universe before I dismiss it's inhabitants out of hand.
I've seen about 100 different versions of the Joker in lifetime; leto look Joker is no different than any of the myriad of Jokers I've been OK with.
In fact, I know that I find this DC Universe appalling.
All I'm saying is what's the difference between juggaloker and belted-on-face-Joker or nicholas-joker or triangle-mouth-Joker or Joker-with-a-two-foot-chin-that-is-pointer-than-a-knife or insert-any-other-version Joker.
Although, I will say that if it turns out that this Joker is actually a former Robin, then that would be a game-changer for me.
Not as fun as Deadpool, but still, pretty fun.
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However, it was similar for Ant-Man. @Matt's comparison to Guardians of the Galaxy is probably apt as well. Although this movie looks much more in line with DC's recent "darker & grittier" tone than GotG. Not even close. When compared to the unknown Marvel properties that did well, the difference is those had a lot of comedy elements and looked bright and colorful and seemed fun for the whole family. General audience appeal.
Similar to the possibilities of Deadpool, this film may only appeal to fans. For every R-rated comics sleeper hit like Kick-Ass or Kingsman there's a Kick-Ass 2 or Dredd that failed (I really liked Dredd).
However, this movie has Batman and the Joker. Could it do a billion dollars? I predict the next trailer is all about Batman and Joker. Any predictions on domestic gross (US)?
Good? Bad? Not certain, but definitely seemed to me this is looking to ride the coat tails.
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Of course, Will Smith may be all the wise-cracking, comedy relief that SS needs.
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