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Tragedy in Colorado: 12 killed and 59 wounded at a showing of Dark Knight

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    KrescanKrescan Posts: 623
    Well Bane is kind of a terrorist in this movie, at least from the trailers I've seen. That's the only info I have to go on as of now of course. So yes some deranged person could have been trying to mimic him as insane as it sounds.

    There's definitely going to be some backlash against comics and movies. Something has to be blamed for this individual acting this way. I'm not saying that it's right in any way but that's just how things usually play out.

    Not sure why the 3 month old was there in the first place but I'm glad he/she is ok. Thoughts and prayers for the victims and their families and hopefully no more fatalities from those injured.

    And as much as I dislike Limbaugh, those weren't his words he was reading an article someone else had put up. Apparently he wasn't even the first person to announce it over the airwaves but he's the biggest name involved so he's going to take the brunt of it.
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    John_SteedJohn_Steed Posts: 2,087
    And for a short while, a very short while, the topic will once again be, if firearms should be banned. And after that very short period of consternation, sales of firearms will be up again. Yeah - for having the freedom to shoot.
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    TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    Any...and I mean any...news organization that leads off this story with something witty about how the city of Aurora could have used Batman last night or anything to that effect...is less than human in my eyes and will never again have my support or patronage.

    My thoughts go out to those who are affected by this horrible tragedy.
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    MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    I'm listening to sports talk now (tired of hearing the same info rehashed on CNN) and they mentioned the shooting. One of hosts echoed EXACTLY what I was thinking: "Please stop running this story as 'The Batman Shooting'."

    M
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    David_DDavid_D Posts: 3,883
    @Torchsong it is definitely in the choice of headlines and leads that news organizations remind us who are the huckster and who are the journalists.

    Cases in point- CNN's website has the headline "Batman Movie Massacre" vs. NPR's "At Least 12 Dead in Colorado Theater Shooting". There is a big difference there in who is giving the pertinent information and who is going for sensation.

    Unless facts emerge that make the Batman movie a part of the shooter's motive, it is premature and sensationalistic for a news agency to call this a "Batman Movie Massacre" or a "Batman Shooting". They just want to get the provocative, attention-grabbing thing in the headline. It would be like calling the shooting in Tuscon a "The Safeway Shooting", as if the specific supermarket was a detail that mattered to what happened.
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    Beyond my imagination. It really is.

    I do in part blame a general desensitization to violence, although I would never try to draw any direct correlation, since the biggest wild card is the mental condition of the assailant. About ten or eleven years ago, I quit watching television and most R rated movies, partly in response to having gone to see American Psycho and seeing a couple of young kids in the theatre with their parents and partly because I was unwilling to pay for cable.

    Once you step out of the river that everyone else is floating down, it is rather shocking when you step back in here and there and see what has become the norm, particularly as it relates to television. I still love a good R rated action film, but I find that I'm much more disturbed by the violence and jarred by the constant obscenity than I used to be. I watch some of the harder R films I used to love, and it's hard to believe I was so accustomed to it.

    The same holds true for video games. The last "violent" video game I ever played was Robocop vs. Terminator on the Sega. I was at my uncle's house several years ago, and my cousin was playing some first person shooter game. I tried it, and I was pretty shocked at the way it felt to be behind that gun, mowing people down. I really didn't appreciate it. At all.

    And I'm not against guns. When I was young (in a rural area), most kids over 12 had rifles or shotguns. Some high school kids had pistols. But we never dreamed of these school shootings, etc. Never once thought about it. It's what's in your head, not what's in your hands.
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    SolitaireRoseSolitaireRose Posts: 1,445

    And for a short while, a very short while, the topic will once again be, if firearms should be banned. And after that very short period of consternation, sales of firearms will be up again. Yeah - for having the freedom to shoot.

    No politician will bring this up. They didn't bring it up when Gabby Giffords was shot...in fact since the mid 2000's, even bringing up the idea that we should have some sort of controls on military grade weapons is seemingly forbidden.

    Here in America, we're fine with mass murders being the cost of our gun obsession and fascination with military grade weaponry. I don't even bother to debate it any more, it's a waste of effort. Nothing will be done, sick, crazy people will be able to buy military equipment and use it to kill innocent people because we've decided that it's part of our heritage.

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    fredzillafredzilla Posts: 2,131
    This is not too far from me and it is a theater that I've been to several times in the past year. I was at home last night, so no worry on my part, but they haven't released any names so I don't know if anyone I know is dead or wounded.
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    WetRatsWetRats Posts: 6,314
    And the media begins looking for connections...
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    random73random73 Posts: 2,318

    And for a short while, a very short while, the topic will once again be, if firearms should be banned. And after that very short period of consternation, sales of firearms will be up again. Yeah - for having the freedom to shoot.

    No politician will bring this up. They didn't bring it up when Gabby Giffords was shot...in fact since the mid 2000's, even bringing up the idea that we should have some sort of controls on military grade weapons is seemingly forbidden.

    Here in America, we're fine with mass murders being the cost of our gun obsession and fascination with military grade weaponry. I don't even bother to debate it any more, it's a waste of effort. Nothing will be done, sick, crazy people will be able to buy military equipment and use it to kill innocent people because we've decided that it's part of our heritage.

    already have. Rep. Gohmert expressed the wish that someone in the theatre had been armed to "take out" this guy.
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    random73random73 Posts: 2,318
    oh wait i read that wrong. no they aren't suggesting gun control they are suggesting conceal and carry.
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    TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    WetRats said:

    And the media begins looking for connections...

    Will. Not. See. Red. Right. Now.
    Will. Keep. It. Under. Control.
    Will. Email. "Writer". This Image:

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    KrescanKrescan Posts: 623
    — The Batman video game called Arkham City takes place in an abandoned movie theatre (The Monarch, outside of which Bruce Wayne's parents were killed).
    it does? I haven't finished the game and maybe I missed that part but I know some of it takes place with me falling in the water a lot.

    aren't there general parallels to every crime ever committed in some form of media? probably more than half in batman somewhere

    well geeks, while we mourn the loss of lives, everyone needs to get ready to have your hobby attacked, by people that have little to know information on what they're talking about
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    luckymustardluckymustard Posts: 927
    Krescan said:


    aren't there general parallels to every crime ever committed in some form of media? probably more than half in batman somewhere

    yeah, you're right! like the movie 'wall street'. that movie, and gordon gecko in it, from the late 80s, inspired the criminals that put us in this great recession. let's string up oliver stone... jk
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    Sad news. My thoughts and prayers go out to those families.
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    KrescanKrescan Posts: 623
    edited July 2012
    i know that we're against the media sensationalizing the "batman shooting" idea but i wanted to ask if this image was in bad taste or would be a good way to show support for the families of those shot (not by me, saw it on facebook) i honestly can't tell if it is insensitive or not

    image
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    little_witchlittle_witch Posts: 185
    I am shocked by what's happened, does anyone know if the comic community is getting a fund together to show our support to the families of the Batman fans that have hurt or killed?
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    tazmaniaktazmaniak Posts: 733
    edited July 2012
    Warner Bros has already canceled the Paris premiere, now it's being reported they are considering canceling all screenings.

    The Wrap
    An executive told TheWrap that Warner was watching the situation and still considering whether to take further measures beyond cancelling the Paris premiere, including cancelling screenings at theater chains.

    The executive said they would be making decisions on Friday and throughout the weekend as they conferred within the studio, monitored news reports and spoke to theater chains.

    Warner Bros. declined to speak on the record on the matter, except for an earlier statement that said: "Warner Bros. and the filmmakers are deeply saddened to learn about this shocking incident," the studio said in a statement. "We extend our sincere sympathies to the families and loved ones of the victims at this tragic time."

    The Paris premiere was originally scheduled to take place on Friday. Director Christopher Nolan and stars Christian Bale and Anne Hathaway were expected to attend the red carpet event.
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    Fade2BlackFade2Black Posts: 1,457
    To the forum moderator who updated this thread's title with the current casualty statistics, thanks for doing that.

    Last night, I returned from the Dark Knight Rises Trilogy marathon around 3:30AM. I briefly logged on to my computer and that's when I first learned of the horrific and tragic events unfolding. I was exhausted, but I was transfixed by the news reports. I finally dozed off around 6:00AM. I awoke at noon.

    I still feel tired, but my exhaustion is more emotional than physical.
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    RedRight88RedRight88 Posts: 2,207
    Looks like there might be a shred of evidence that the movies influenced the guy.
    gma.yahoo.com/james-holmes-suspected-aurora-shooter-inspired-batman-182624012--abc-news-movies.html
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    Mr_Cosmic said:

    Rush's comments about Bane? You mean how he said it was crazy that some on the left were trying to tie the villain Bane to Romny and Bain Capital?

    I am sickened when an event like this is instantly politicized, as ABC immediately did (by trying to link him, without any evidence whatsoever, to the Tea Party). There are PEOPLE DEAD, and some people's first reaction is to tie him to their ideological opponents. What a crass, heartless society we live in.
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    this is from yahoo news:

    Violence like the massacre that happened in Aurora, Colo., today is a staple of action films, including Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. A similar, now haunting, scene unfurls in "The Dark Knight Rises" when a masked villain leads a violent gang into a packed football stadium and deploys guns and explosives on the unsuspecting crowd.
    While there has been no indication as to the motives of James Holmes, the suspected 24-year-old shooter who is now in custody, new evidence suggests that he was inspired by the Batman series of comic books and/or movies.
    Law enforcement sources confirmed to ABC News that Holmes said "I am the Joker" when apprehended by authorities. His hair was painted red, the same hair color of Heath Ledger's Joker at one point in 2008's "The Dark Knight."
    PHOTOS: Celebrities React to 'Dark Knight Rises' Shooting
    There are more parallels. In Frank Miller's iconic 1986 comic book series, "The Dark Knight Returns," the Joker murders a television studio audience by deploying "smile gas." Holmes began his massacre by setting off smoke bombs throughout the theater.
    In the same book, Arnold Crimp, a disturbed man who just lost his job, pulls out a handgun in an adult film theater and kills three people. A scene from the strip shows a news anchor saying, "Three slain in Batman-inspired porn theater shoot-out."
    Seventy-one people were shot during today's early morning massacre; 12 have died.

    Christopher Irving, author of "Leaping Tall Buildings: The Origins of American Comics," dismissed Internet theories that Holmes was taking on the persona of Bane, the villain in "The Dark Knight Rises."
    "Bane does not use brute force," he told ABCNews.com. "He wouldn't waste his time, that's not his character's style."
    Irving cautioned against blaming an iconic, fictional character for today's tragedy.
    "If there is a story with a shooting like this, I can only assume it was a sad, tragic coincidence," he said.

    link:

    http://gma.yahoo.com/james-holmes-suspected-aurora-shooter-inspired-batman-182624012--abc-news-movies.html
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    JoeSergiJoeSergi Posts: 78
    edited July 2012
    From: CNN Breaking News [mailto:BreakingNews@mail.cnn.com]
    Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 5:13 PM
    To: textbreakingnews@ema3lsv06.turner.com
    Subject: CNN Breaking News

    The suspect in the killing of 12 people at a Colorado screening of the new Batman movie had colored his hair red and told police he was "the Joker," according to a federal law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation.
    Uhm, the Joker has green hair.
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    MattMatt Posts: 4,457
    Were there details released about HOW he got that firepower into the theatre? The handguns could've been concealable, the bulletproof vest, a little more difficult, but okay concealable. What about the gas mask, gas grenades, rifle?

    M
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    Matt said:

    Were there details released about HOW he got that firepower into the theatre? The handguns could've been concealable, the bulletproof vest, a little more difficult, but okay concealable. What about the gas mask, gas grenades, rifle?

    M

    He came in through one of those emergency exits that people sneak into. He must have propped the door open at some point or maybe he used a crowbar.

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    David_DDavid_D Posts: 3,883
    As is so often the case, commentators will scrutinize and blame the fiction that inspired the details of this attack rather than digging into the underlining and more important facts of what made such an attack possible in the first place.

    Because it is always easier to blame the fiction- that is the kind of "reporting" that can be done without even getting up from your chair.
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    WetRats said:

    And the media begins looking for connections...

    "The Media" couldn't find their ass with two hands, a flashlight, and a map of the world.

    Has it not occurred to any of these putzes that this guy's life is apparently riddled with mental illness issues, and violent tendencies. People like that don't NEED movies, comics, or video games to influence their behavior...

    They are trying to tie the scene in DKR (with the guy shooting someone in a porn theater) to this act. So this guy held on to this image (not even a pivotal scene in the book, featuring a non-descriptive character) as a major influence on his life? Are they really suggesting that gave him the "idea"?

    Was he influenced by the Rises movie? I don't know...hmmmm... seeing as how he was attending the first, midnight screening, was shooting people instead of watching it, and had apparently planned and organized this for weeks, if not months, I'm thinking probably not.

    Oh, I'm sure these influences are what caused him to do this. Not insanity, not an entire lifetime of possible negative influences on his psyche, not bullying, not about a million other violent acts perpetrated throughout the world, foisted upon us by the media.

    What passes for journalism these days boggles the mind. Journalism should involve the desire to find and present the truth, based on facts, but that would be out of the question. You would think that common sense and the ability to use logic would be a prerequisite. Also some damn taste and decorum wouldn't hurt.
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    random73random73 Posts: 2,318
    This is dumb. unsurprising but dumb. crazy sick lunatic identifies himself as the Joker now? And comics are to blame, of course, that makes total sense.
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    http://www.deadline.com/2012/07/colorado-shooting-batman-theaters-police-security/
    AMC Theatres said it is reinforcing its security procedures in the wake of today’s shooting in Colorado during a midnight screening of Warner Bros‘ The Dark Knight Rises. The company will not allow any guests into theaters “in costumes that make other guests feel uncomfortable and we will not permit face-covering masks or fake weapons inside our buildings”. Said the chain: “We’re reinforcing our security procedures with our theatre teams, which we cannot discuss in detail for obvious, safety reasons. Local law enforcement agencies, our landlords and their and our local security teams are stepping up nationwide to ensure we provide the safest environment possible for our guests. We couldn’t be more grateful for their collective support”. AMC said it is not amending any of the circuit’s screening schedules for The Dark Knight Rises but it will exchange or refund tickets for the movie.
    this is crazy... I am sorry for this tragedy

    and for a parents who took their young children to ANY midnight show is showing behavior I DO NOT AGREE with... sheesh..
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