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    Evening639Evening639 Posts: 368
    edited February 2016
    dubbat138 said:

    Last year I got challenged by my girlfriend to read 101 books in the year. I did it. So this year she laid down a new challenge. I have to read 365 comics in the year. I have so far read 83 and posted a short review of each one.

    Click here to see all 83 reviews

    I've been engaging on my own reading challenge this year. I'm attempting to read through all of the unread books in my collection (which currently occupy three modest longboxes in my bedroom closet). To keep myself motivated and also to keep from getting confused by skipping around too much, I'm forcing myself to do this in alphabetical order. I'm almost finished with the "A's".

    I took a look at your blog. Your collection seems almost as eclectic as my own. I'm glad to see you enjoyed The Eltingville Club and The Humans as well. I haven't seen much praise or even mention of those books anywhere else. I also agree with you about early Supreme being better than most give it credit for. I think these days especially it's met with an almost instinctual dismissal because of the Liefeld connection and the time period it was being published but there was some entertaining material to be found.

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    mwhitt80mwhitt80 Posts: 4,615



    I took a look at your blog. Your collection seems almost as eclectic as my own. I'm glad to see you enjoyed The Eltingville Club and The Humans as well. I haven't seen much praise or even mention of those books anywhere else. I also agree with you about early Supreme being better than most give it credit for. I think these days especially it's met with an almost instinctual dismissal because of the Liefeld connection and the time period it was being published but there was some entertaining material to be found.

    I liked the Humans well enough; I don't think I'll follow through with the second series

    Supreme though was tough one. I've reread that Supreme a few years back. It is not that good; it's full of great ideas just not great execution (which was a problem with a lot of Extreme Studios comics). I'm on the Liefeld train (I backed his kickstarter a few years ago), and I'll argue that he is one of the most important figures in the last 30 years of comics. I just can't ride with Supreme.
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    Evening639Evening639 Posts: 368
    edited February 2016
    @mwhitt80 Since you're a Liefeld fan, have you by chance checked out The Covenant? I admit to being somewhat curious about it when I first saw it solicited but not curious enough to pay cover price. Since I do enjoy discount-bin diving would it be worth picking up if I found it in the 75¢ - $1.00 range?

    Also, what did you think of Liefeld's short tenure on Prophet? To me that's also a book that presented interesting ideas but sometimes mediocre execution. I have seen almost the entire series in the quarter bins at my LCS and always think about picking them up just to give them a read but I have yet to.

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    mwhitt80mwhitt80 Posts: 4,615
    Covenant was the one with Kirkman ? I think i skipped that one if it's the Kirkman project.
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    CaptShazamCaptShazam Posts: 1,178

    dubbat138 said:

    Last year I got challenged by my girlfriend to read 101 books in the year. I did it. So this year she laid down a new challenge. I have to read 365 comics in the year. I have so far read 83 and posted a short review of each one.

    Click here to see all 83 reviews

    I've been engaging on my own reading challenge this year. I'm attempting to read through all of the unread books in my collection (which currently occupy three modest longboxes in my bedroom closet). To keep myself motivated and also to keep from getting confused by skipping around too much, I'm forcing myself to do this in alphabetical order. I'm almost finished with the "A's".

    I took a look at your blog. Your collection seems almost as eclectic as my own. I'm glad to see you enjoyed The Eltingville Club and The Humans as well. I haven't seen much praise or even mention of those books anywhere else. I also agree with you about early Supreme being better than most give it credit for. I think these days especially it's met with an almost instinctual dismissal because of the Liefeld connection and the time period it was being published but there was some entertaining material to be found.

    I am doing my own reading project too. I started in Oct 2014 with comic trades. In the first 12 months, I read 53 trades. Since Oct 2015, I have read an additonal 19 trades.

    I started a "real" book reading project in March 2015. I am on book #25 right now.
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    dubbat138dubbat138 Posts: 3,200
    luke52 said:

    dubbat138 said:

    Last year I got challenged by my girlfriend to read 101 books in the year. I did it. So this year she laid down a new challenge. I have to read 365 comics in the year. I have so far read 83 and posted a short review of each one.

    Click here to see all 83 reviews

    I think that's too easy. A comic book a day is easily doable. I'd challenge you to read 1000 in a year. Nearly 3 a day. That's a real challenge.
    She knows I will hit the 365 before half the year is done. I am figuring I will top out around 700 or so.

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    dubbat138dubbat138 Posts: 3,200

    dubbat138 said:

    Last year I got challenged by my girlfriend to read 101 books in the year. I did it. So this year she laid down a new challenge. I have to read 365 comics in the year. I have so far read 83 and posted a short review of each one.

    Click here to see all 83 reviews

    I've been engaging on my own reading challenge this year. I'm attempting to read through all of the unread books in my collection (which currently occupy three modest longboxes in my bedroom closet). To keep myself motivated and also to keep from getting confused by skipping around too much, I'm forcing myself to do this in alphabetical order. I'm almost finished with the "A's".

    I took a look at your blog. Your collection seems almost as eclectic as my own. I'm glad to see you enjoyed The Eltingville Club and The Humans as well. I haven't seen much praise or even mention of those books anywhere else. I also agree with you about early Supreme being better than most give it credit for. I think these days especially it's met with an almost instinctual dismissal because of the Liefeld connection and the time period it was being published but there was some entertaining material to be found.

    My collection is a weird mashup of all the Marvel I read as a kid. Then lots of 80s thru modern indy stuff I find cheap. The early Supreme stuff is just goofy fun. And I get the issues for usually 25 cents to 50 cents. Out of all the Liefeld early Image stuff it is the best.

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    mwhitt80mwhitt80 Posts: 4,615
    edited February 2016
    Learned a new urban dictionary term this morning. I was ordering the first 2 trades of B Clay Moores Hawaiian Dick and the next item down was an erotic novel called FUTA Hawaiian something or another. I googled FUTA (pretty sure it wasn't payroll tax thing), some things you need to just leave alone.

    Edit: Now I have plot to an erotic FUTA (actual payroll tax thing) cycling through my head. It can't be any worse than bigfoot porn novels right?
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    mwhitt80 said:

    Learned a new urban dictionary term this morning. I was ordering the first 2 trades of B Clay Moores Hawaiian Dick and the next item down was an erotic novel called FUTA Hawaiian something or another. I googled FUTA (pretty sure it wasn't payroll tax thing), some things you need to just leave alone.

    Edit: Now I have plot to an erotic FUTA (actual payroll tax thing) cycling through my head. It can't be any worse than bigfoot porn novels right?

    You should read your Previews more carefully. There are quite a few futanari series listed. I don't know if there’s a FUTA futa (though I wouldn’t be surprised). You might be on to something.
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    mwhitt80mwhitt80 Posts: 4,615
    Man I hope you had to Google that. That's some @Torchsong level stuff. ;)

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    TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    mwhitt80 said:

    Man I hope you had to Google that. That's some @Torchsong level stuff. ;)

    Reading a series right now about a man who lives with mythological monster women - a lamia, a harpy, a centaur, a spider-lady, a slime-girl, a mermaid, and a headless horseman...




    ... who all want to fuck him. :)



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    mwhitt80 said:

    Man I hope you had to Google that. That's some @Torchsong level stuff. ;)

    Hey, it’s my job to know these things. Yeah, that's the ticket. ;)
    Torchsong said:

    Reading a series right now about a man who lives with mythological monster women - a lamia, a harpy, a centaur, a spider-lady, a slime-girl, a mermaid, and a headless horseman...




    ... who all want to fuck him. :)

    No, no, that is some @Torchsong level stuff.
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    mwhitt80mwhitt80 Posts: 4,615
    One of the nice things about having a toddler living with you is the way you can justify buying things.

    My brother in law got me yeti cup for Christmas. He might have joined a strongarm crew to get it, didn't ask. So I let my daughter pick out stickers for it. Heaven forbid I accidentally get my wife's cup and leave her mine (she'd have a melt down of pregnant portion). My daughter chose one with a drawing of a rooster and a smaller one with a drawing of a howler monkeys head.

    This lead to an online store Howler Brothers (much better use of google) and the purchase of a shirt with embroided roosters because she would like the shirt and not because I liked the shirt.
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    mwhitt80 said:

    One of the nice things about having a toddler living with you is the way you can justify buying things.

    I find I can justify buying things just as easily without a toddler as I can with one. It's a skill.

    Just wait until the toddlers grow up a bit. Then you have to start justifying not buying things.
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    mwhitt80mwhitt80 Posts: 4,615
    edited February 2016
    I have a huge collection of unopened Lego Disney princess sets and Lego superhero sets (can't be sexist). You know for when the kiddos get bigger.
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    RedRight88RedRight88 Posts: 2,207
    edited February 2016
    Okay strange question:

    I was perusing Comixology looking for a new trades to add to the selection pool for my show & I came across Miracleman: Parental Advisory Edition written by
    The Original Writer
    ...This is supposed to be Alan Moore, right?
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    mwhitt80 said:

    I have a huge collection of unopened Lego Disney princess sets and Lego superhero sets (can't be sexist). You know for when the kiddos get bigger.

    Having worked several Lego conventions, unopened out-of-circulation Lego sets can go for big prices. Something to consider if your kids end up not liking Lego when they get older (an odd idea I know, but it does happen).
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    Okay strange question:

    I was perusing Comixology looking for a new trades to add to the selection pool for my show & I came across Miracleman: Parental Advisory Edition written by

    The Original Writer
    ...This is supposed to be Alan Moore, right?
    It is. He turned over his share of the rights to the other creators who worked on the series, and wants nothing to do with the reprints, including having his name used as a promotional tool.
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    mwhitt80mwhitt80 Posts: 4,615
    edited February 2016
    On a podcast about a certain nba interim coach "In a game of chess he's playing Shoots and Ladders"
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    mwhitt80mwhitt80 Posts: 4,615

    Okay strange question:

    I was perusing Comixology looking for a new trades to add to the selection pool for my show & I came across Miracleman: Parental Advisory Edition written by

    The Original Writer
    ...This is supposed to be Alan Moore, right?
    It is. He turned over his share of the rights to the other creators who worked on the series, and wants nothing to do with the reprints, including having his name used as a promotional tool.

    I know Alan Moore feels he has gotten a raw deal from Marvel & DC, and maybe he has. However he's passed on a lot of money from stuff he created. I shake my head sometimes when I hear Moore stories; I assume he's doing well enough financially to not have to worry about it. But whatever makes him happy I guess.
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    bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967
    mwhitt80 said:

    Okay strange question:

    I was perusing Comixology looking for a new trades to add to the selection pool for my show & I came across Miracleman: Parental Advisory Edition written by

    The Original Writer
    ...This is supposed to be Alan Moore, right?
    It is. He turned over his share of the rights to the other creators who worked on the series, and wants nothing to do with the reprints, including having his name used as a promotional tool.
    I know Alan Moore feels he has gotten a raw deal from Marvel & DC, and maybe he has. However he's passed on a lot of money from stuff he created. I shake my head sometimes when I hear Moore stories; I assume he's doing well enough financially to not have to worry about it. But whatever makes him happy I guess.

    It's dumb, not matter what his reasons. Moore appears to suffer from too much pride sometimes.
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    mwhitt80 said:

    Okay strange question:

    I was perusing Comixology looking for a new trades to add to the selection pool for my show & I came across Miracleman: Parental Advisory Edition written by

    The Original Writer
    ...This is supposed to be Alan Moore, right?
    It is. He turned over his share of the rights to the other creators who worked on the series, and wants nothing to do with the reprints, including having his name used as a promotional tool.
    I know Alan Moore feels he has gotten a raw deal from Marvel & DC, and maybe he has. However he's passed on a lot of money from stuff he created. I shake my head sometimes when I hear Moore stories; I assume he's doing well enough financially to not have to worry about it. But whatever makes him happy I guess.
    It's dumb, not matter what his reasons. Moore appears to suffer from too much pride sometimes.

    Alan has everything he needs, so he can afford to stand up for what he feels is right. I don't think that’s dumb. I know from experience that sometimes the inner anger and frustration of going along with something you don't agree with far outweighs any monetary compensation. Peace of mind is a valuable commodity. How much of this is the result of pride and how much is simply him wanting to be able to live with himself? None of us are in a position to say.
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    TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    I admire creators like Moore who are willing to put integrity in front of the bottom line (because lord knows there's a hell of a lot more of the latter group). Yes, it's probably easier for him to do as I'd imagine he's socked away a little change here and there, but that's kind of the point...he COULD have cashed in on a hell of a lot more things, gone to every convention and charged $10-20 to sign your book, but doing so would cheapen how he views himself as a creator. That's damned refreshing. It's why I tend to value and re-read my Moore stuff a lot more than I do many other creators who might be more "user-friendly".
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    mwhitt80mwhitt80 Posts: 4,615
    If passing on the money makes him content and satisfied then more power to him. However if he is bitter about that part of his past still, he should have taken the money. Life is a lot better when you are bitterly relaxing in a brand new hot tub ( just said that in my price is right voice).

    Hopefully that kickstarter project will get him hot tub money, maybe even private sauna money. He looks better, but he could still use a spa day.
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    Just to clarify, I'm talking about Alan passing on his share of the creator royalties for the work he did on the series, not about Alan giving away his rights to the Marvelman character, which he gave to Neil Gaiman and Mark Buckingham when they took over the book way back when. (Assuming, of course, that Dez Skinn actually procured the rights to the character outright in the first place, the question of which caused the long legal snafu.)

    Garry Leach sold his rights to the Marvelman character years before Alan did. In fact, while Alan was still writing the book. And Alan Davis gave away his rights to the character (which had been given to him after Garry Leach sold his share) as well—again, before Moore did. So there was something of a tradition there in turning over your rights to the character to the next guy. The difference, of course, is that Leach and Davis maintained (thanks to British copyright laws) the copyright to the actual artwork, while Moore gave his share of that to the other creators who worked on the book with him.
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    bralinatorbralinator Posts: 5,967

    mwhitt80 said:

    Okay strange question:

    I was perusing Comixology looking for a new trades to add to the selection pool for my show & I came across Miracleman: Parental Advisory Edition written by

    The Original Writer
    ...This is supposed to be Alan Moore, right?
    It is. He turned over his share of the rights to the other creators who worked on the series, and wants nothing to do with the reprints, including having his name used as a promotional tool.
    I know Alan Moore feels he has gotten a raw deal from Marvel & DC, and maybe he has. However he's passed on a lot of money from stuff he created. I shake my head sometimes when I hear Moore stories; I assume he's doing well enough financially to not have to worry about it. But whatever makes him happy I guess.
    It's dumb, not matter what his reasons. Moore appears to suffer from too much pride sometimes.
    Alan has everything he needs, so he can afford to stand up for what he feels is right. I don't think that’s dumb. I know from experience that sometimes the inner anger and frustration of going along with something you don't agree with far outweighs any monetary compensation. Peace of mind is a valuable commodity. How much of this is the result of pride and how much is simply him wanting to be able to live with himself? None of us are in a position to say.


    I should have said "I think it's dumb..." Other than that, I stand by my statement.
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    mwhitt80mwhitt80 Posts: 4,615
    Ughhh, sick baby alert.
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    Okay strange question:

    I was perusing Comixology looking for a new trades to add to the selection pool for my show & I came across Miracleman: Parental Advisory Edition written by

    The Original Writer
    ...This is supposed to be Alan Moore, right?

    This is really super annoying to me. He can stand on his high-horse principles all he wants, but logically, he's full of shit.

    He gave away the rights to the other creators, correct? So the better Miracleman sells from Marvel, the more his FRIENDS make in royalties, correct? So, by not letting Marvel use his name in the most rudimentary way, listings in Previews, he's possibly impeding marketing the book, affecting sales negatively, and screwing his friends out of the royalties he so "graciously" passed on to them.

    What seems like altruism is really just a selfish hissy fit. He used to be my absolute favorite writer, but now I can hardly tolerate him, knowing his stupid shenanigans.
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    TorchsongTorchsong Posts: 2,794
    To be fair, Neil Gaiman and Mark Buckingham hardly need Alan Moore's name to help them sell books...
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    Tonebone said:

    Okay strange question:

    I was perusing Comixology looking for a new trades to add to the selection pool for my show & I came across Miracleman: Parental Advisory Edition written by

    The Original Writer
    ...This is supposed to be Alan Moore, right?
    This is really super annoying to me. He can stand on his high-horse principles all he wants, but logically, he's full of shit.

    He gave away the rights to the other creators, correct? So the better Miracleman sells from Marvel, the more his FRIENDS make in royalties, correct? So, by not letting Marvel use his name in the most rudimentary way, listings in Previews, he's possibly impeding marketing the book, affecting sales negatively, and screwing his friends out of the royalties he so "graciously" passed on to them.

    What seems like altruism is really just a selfish hissy fit. He used to be my absolute favorite writer, but now I can hardly tolerate him, knowing his stupid shenanigans.
    I don't think the passing on of his royalties was done out of altruism at all, and I don't think Moore has ever pretended that it was. It was simply to disassociate himself with a company he didn't want to be associated with. Passing on his royalties to his fellow creators, not all of whom would call him a friend by the way or vice versa, simply means that creators get that money instead of the publisher. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I’m pretty sure Moore has never claimed it to be anything more than that.

    Frankly, I don't think his participation one way or the other will make a significant difference in sales either way.
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